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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I saw the new version of the fan-edit Prelude to Axanar: Redux today, and it was really well done. It felt like a proper continuation of The Original Series thanks to Steve Ihnat being in it as Captain Garth. I know Alec Peters wasn't happy that he was cut from the film in this edit, but there are hundreds of fan-edits online of various films, so I don't see what the big deal is. Time to leave the ego at the door.

I was very impressed with how they not only had Steve Ihnat appear on screen, but also had him talk on the bridge with the actor's real voice. Very creative, and reminded me of the stuff they did on DS9 for Trials and Tribble-ations. For anyone who doesn't want to watch the whole film, but wants to see Garth in action, his scenes start at 10:01.
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Ragnarok said:
I saw the new version of the fan-edit Prelude to Axanar: Redux today, and it was really well done. It felt like a proper continuation of The Original Series thanks to Steve Ihnat being in it as Captain Garth. I know Alec Peters wasn't happy that he was cut from the film in this edit, but there are hundreds of fan-edits online of various films, so I don't see what the big deal is. Time to leave the ego at the door.

I was very impressed with how they not only had Steve Ihnat appear on screen, but also had him talk on the bridge with the actor's real voice. Very creative, and reminded me of the stuff they did on DS9 for Trials and Tribble-ations. For anyone who doesn't want to watch the whole film, but wants to see Garth in action, his scenes start at 10:01.
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And the really interesting part is none of the mages of Ihnat came from his Star Trek appearance. It really was a good edit for the movie.
 
Ragnarok said:
I saw the new version of the fan-edit Prelude to Axanar: Redux today, and it was really well done. It felt like a proper continuation of The Original Series thanks to Steve Ihnat being in it as Captain Garth. I know Alec Peters wasn't happy that he was cut from the film in this edit, but there are hundreds of fan-edits online of various films, so I don't see what the big deal is. Time to leave the ego at the door.

I was very impressed with how they not only had Steve Ihnat appear on screen, but also had him talk on the bridge with the actor's real voice. Very creative, and reminded me of the stuff they did on DS9 for Trials and Tribble-ations. For anyone who doesn't want to watch the whole film, but wants to see Garth in action, his scenes start at 10:01.
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It also reordered a few scenes, cut out some dumb and/or controversial lines, and in general made the film much more watchable. Very well done.
 
Ragnarok said:
I saw the new version of the fan-edit Prelude to Axanar: Redux today, and it was really well done. It felt like a proper continuation of The Original Series thanks to Steve Ihnat being in it as Captain Garth. I know Alec Peters wasn't happy that he was cut from the film in this edit, but there are hundreds of fan-edits online of various films, so I don't see what the big deal is. Time to leave the ego at the door.

I was very impressed with how they not only had Steve Ihnat appear on screen, but also had him talk on the bridge with the actor's real voice. Very creative, and reminded me of the stuff they did on DS9 for Trials and Tribble-ations. For anyone who doesn't want to watch the whole film, but wants to see Garth in action, his scenes start at 10:01.
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That is amazing. Thanks so much for that!

Peters was the weakest link in Axanar by far. The actual short production is fantastic, and its great to be reminded of that every so often, with how much darkness the fan community has been tainted with due to Peters. Great scripting, acting, CGI, ship effects, ship designs.... Considering how its labeled Part III, they should have just stuck to making mockumentaries, and gone as far as their funding would take them. Peters should have stuck to producing, considering he wasn't responsible for anything that made Axanar great.
 
nightwind1 said:
I've never understood why so many fans orgasm over it.
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I do.

Fans looked at Prelude not as the be-all-end-all but a glorified trailer. And that's really all it is, a glorified trailer where you could see the design of the ships, the look of the FX, the costumes, and the cast delivering some dialogue.

People supported Prelude and upvoted it and gushed over it to indicate that they wanted to see the full-length product. If they never thought we'd ever get anything BUT Prelude, the flood of praise would not have been anywhere near as strong.
 
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Anyone who's read the actual Axanar feature script knows that Prelude was the very best they had. It was carried by it's unique format. The movie script is 90 minutes of Garthwank and pewpew.
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I read the Axanar feature script, and you're absolutely right. I heard AP on a podcast calll it "the greatest Star Trek script ever" or something like that, and it's not. I didn't set the bar too high, but if the Axanar feature had been produced with that script I would've been very disappointed.
 
mthompson1701 said:
I read the Axanar feature script, and you're absolutely right. I heard AP on a podcast calll it "the greatest Star Trek script ever" or something like that, and it's not. I didn't set the bar too high, but if the Axanar feature had been produced with that script I would've been very disappointed.
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I probably read what you read and the problem is Garth is too much of a Force Awakens style Mary Sue, meaning he surfs through challenge after challenge without any setbacks. That's the problem with taking Garth's military history back-story too literally. In order to make him the protagonist you need to give him room to grow, not just plunk him down and have him kick ass from start to finish. I guess that template worked okay in Patton with George C Scott but Patton was almost rendered as a deliberate caricature, same deal as Amadeus seeming to be a flawless talent. I don't think Axanar was shooting for that quasi-comedic tone.

I suspect had Axanar come out that most fans would have given the above a pass, though. Fans of fan-films tend not to be too critical of the writing as long as the production design is glitzy enough and it has recognizable celebrities appearing. (I think Renegades has been the biggest beneficiary of that sort of sliding-scale.)

I think since Alec's behavior has given everyone reason to demonize him that people want to actively look for flaws.
 
I've said before that fan films are like the old saw about the waltzing bear. It's not the bear waltzes so well, it's that it waltzes at all. To me just putting a fan film together and releasing it is worthy of respect whatever the quality, objective or subjective. It ain't easy and it doesn't anyone very long to find out just how difficult it is. When a fan film manages to interest you and entertain you, that's really a great accomplishment. I've also compared fan projects as similar to community theater or even high school plays. Of course, when some self-aggrandizing blowhard puts forth the claim (presumably with a straight face) that his project will be the "greatest ever", well that's going to raise expectations to a ridiculous level...really for no reason. If you set out with a goal of entertaining an audience for a set period of time and meet that goal, well, that's really special.
 
mos6507 said:
I probably read what you read and the problem is Garth is too much of a Force Awakens style Mary Sue, meaning he surfs through challenge after challenge without any setbacks. That's the problem with taking Garth's military history back-story too literally. In order to make him the protagonist you need to give him room to grow, not just plunk him down and have him kick ass from start to finish. I guess that template worked okay in Patton with George C Scott but Patton was almost rendered as a deliberate caricature, same deal as Amadeus seeming to be a flawless talent. I don't think Axanar was shooting for that quasi-comedic tone.

I suspect had Axanar come out that most fans would have given the above a pass, though. Fans of fan-films tend not to be too critical of the writing as long as the production design is glitzy enough and it has recognizable celebrities appearing. (I think Renegades has been the biggest beneficiary of that sort of sliding-scale.)

I think since Alec's behavior has given everyone reason to demonize him that people want to actively look for flaws.
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Well, in "Patton" they also really overplayed the Allied Commands reaction to his "Soldier Slapping" incident (actually there were two incidents) <--- And that was Patton's 'foil' in the film. That's not to say that Eisenhower didn't reprimand him; but they weren't considering removing him from Combat permanently and his use as a 'decoy' prior to D-Day was more because Allied Command knew how the Germans viewed Patton, so yeah, they knew they could get the Germans to move divisions around based on leaked info of where Patton might be landing, etc.

But yeah, in the script they had, Garth had no real stumbling block or crisis - he was always Starfleet's go to Captain, and he handily won every engagement he was in, with very little to no doubt as to what the ultimate outcome would be.
 
Agreed - AP's performance notwithstanding, it was fairly well-acted by many seasoned actors. They brought "soul" to the roles in what would have been otherwise a rather mediocre production.

:sigh: It really saddens me to think of what could have been... :(
 
I wish Discovery had gone for this retro pre-Original Series look. Klingon ships that look like Klingon ships. There's the visual connection to the universe I knew and loved right there in whatever version of the Axanar trailer I happen to come across. Detail running deep into the production design, and which are much more than easter eggs. :(
 
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I wish Discovery had gone for this retro pre-Original Series look. Klingon ships that look like Klingon ships. There's the visual connection to the universe I knew and loved right there in whatever version of the Axanar trailer I happen to come across. Detail running deep into the production design, and which are much more than easter eggs. :(
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Yeah, it definitely proves that the aesthetics work in the modern day, and that compromises can be made that retain authenticity.

For whatever anyone can say about Axanar.... the Ares was one gorgeous ship.
 
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