Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x08 - "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"
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Upside down Shenzhou class.
That's the impression I got too. A lot of people see Saru as a fan favorite - I personally don't like the character one bit. The threat ganglia concept is very cool, IMO, and can serve as almost a precognitive tool if wielded properly, but the character's general demeanor and the way he addresses everyday ship-board issues completely ruins it for me. He's extremely pissy, even more so than Stamets (whom I've actually grown to like more and more since his spore drive experience), he has admitted that he's in a constant state of fear and he's always extremely defensive - borderline unprofessional - when he perceives others to be challenging his authority (whether they're actually doing so or not). Starfleet is supposed to have rigorous psychological testing to be assigned on a vessel, particularly as part of a ship's command staff. There is no way he should be able to pass muster on that, and he's the last person I would want in the center seat with all that baggage he's carrying around. Troi would absolutely lose her shit if she had to sit next to that lanky bag of insecurity for more than ten minutes on the bridge. Just doesn't track for me.
I think this may be another bad example of the bad editing in this episode, especially as it dealt with the Klingons.
My theory: She may or may not have known her friends were dead, I believe she was more horrified that they weren't given their place of respect in a coffin outside the ship. They are followers of T'Kuvma and his flavor of the Kahless religion. This mandates that their honored dead be put into coffins to serve in the "Black Fleet". Instead, they were eviscerated and left to rot on the floor in the coffin room, which is what sent L'Rell into the rage. I believe we were shown the close-up of one of the coffins to remind us of this philosophy, but it came out wrong due to the bad editing and lack of correct dialog to infer her true intentions. Just having "GRRRR...I'm gonna kill Kol" is not enough information for the audience to understand her true motivation.
You know that quote predates Star Trek. It's from Charles Dickens' "Tale of Two Cities".
I think they were followers of T'Kuvma who were murdered by Kol after taking command of the Sarcophagus. They may have been loyalists to Voq, or maybe those who accepted Kol's food and mutinied against Voq, but Kol still had them killed and filled the ship with House Kor loyalists.
The cult of T'Kuvma might not exist anymore, outside of L'rell and Voq, wherever he may be.
The cult of T'Kuvma might not exist anymore, outside of L'rell and Voq, wherever he may be.
I do know that Star Trek didn't invent it. Which is why the "logic" that it is an old Vulcan saying is silly.
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It's pretty obvious that it would be a quote of some sort, known to both of 'em and to the rest of mankind as well. It's not "standard English" for them or us, it's an odd phrase they quote verbatim and by rote.
But no, it doesn't appear to be Dickens, or at least the net is full of references debunking the claim.
Timo Saloniemi
But no, it doesn't appear to be Dickens, or at least the net is full of references debunking the claim.
Timo Saloniemi
Well, hard to judge properly wthout seeing next weeks episode but I certainly enjoyed it.
20 pages in many people have made my points for me.
The quote from Tale of Two Cities is :
“It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.”
Bring on MU Captan Tilly.
20 pages in many people have made my points for me.
The quote from Tale of Two Cities is :
“It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.”
Bring on MU Captan Tilly.
Tyler might end up fighting Voq next episode, and the convo will shift to talk about how Voq didn't recognize his human clone.
In retrospect, it's tough to judge this one, because it's clear that it really is a set-up for the next episode (which itself will likely set-up the remainder of the season).
It had certain elements that knocked it out of the park...and others that fell a little flat.
Overall, still very enjoyable...but not as strong as some of the others.
It had certain elements that knocked it out of the park...and others that fell a little flat.
Overall, still very enjoyable...but not as strong as some of the others.
I was thinking the same. Both he and Burnham just wouldn't seem to pass the psych testing that Starfleet is supposed to have for those in the fleet, much less Officers and more so those who are one step away from the center seat.
That he was not actually under influence and did that of his own will should be a court-martial offense. He endangered the lives of a landing party.
Perhaps they're the reason why the Burnham-Saru Psychiatric Entrance Exam was introduced in the first place.
Probably the weakest episode for me and derails the show for me so soon after I was starting to generally starting to settle down with the show...
* Like I mentioned earlier, the actors they are getting to play other Captains/Admirals who we see in cameo roles have been nothing short of BAD picks from the casting department. They simply come off as cheap direct to DVD or daytime soap esq actors.
* The battle sequences continue to be pretty bad IMO, they look overly computerised and vastly inferior to DS9/VOY/ENT despite the so called high budget and 2017 technology they have to work with. Everything seems rushed, the camera work is shakey and the Klingon ships look so ill defined in their look. It's basically pew pew pew with no tactics seemingly in play and pretty boring overall.
* The whole magical antenna out of nowhere that seemingly has a huge range to decloak or detect at least the entire Klingon fleet? came from nowhere and had ZERO set up.
* They have missed such a big chance to use flashbacks in every or most episodes giving us more knowledge about Michael because I want to know more about her. Her past is crucial to her development but they seem to be intent on this awful drip feed service.
* The show has failed to properly set the feeling of wartime and it pales compared to how DS9 handled such a story arc.
* The Klingons get no better, the look, speech and well everything about them continues to bug me.
* The episode was clearly butchered in editing and criminally short for a streaming service show. So far all the episodes have been under 45 mins if memory serves despite being promised months ago that we would get extended episodes.
Part 2 needs a big step up because at the moment I feel like I am watching a solid generic Sci fi show and not a Star Trek show.
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* Like I mentioned earlier, the actors they are getting to play other Captains/Admirals who we see in cameo roles have been nothing short of BAD picks from the casting department. They simply come off as cheap direct to DVD or daytime soap esq actors.
* The battle sequences continue to be pretty bad IMO, they look overly computerised and vastly inferior to DS9/VOY/ENT despite the so called high budget and 2017 technology they have to work with. Everything seems rushed, the camera work is shakey and the Klingon ships look so ill defined in their look. It's basically pew pew pew with no tactics seemingly in play and pretty boring overall.
* The whole magical antenna out of nowhere that seemingly has a huge range to decloak or detect at least the entire Klingon fleet? came from nowhere and had ZERO set up.
* They have missed such a big chance to use flashbacks in every or most episodes giving us more knowledge about Michael because I want to know more about her. Her past is crucial to her development but they seem to be intent on this awful drip feed service.
* The show has failed to properly set the feeling of wartime and it pales compared to how DS9 handled such a story arc.
* The Klingons get no better, the look, speech and well everything about them continues to bug me.
* The episode was clearly butchered in editing and criminally short for a streaming service show. So far all the episodes have been under 45 mins if memory serves despite being promised months ago that we would get extended episodes.
Part 2 needs a big step up because at the moment I feel like I am watching a solid generic Sci fi show and not a Star Trek show.
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I feel the same way. It's almost as if the production team made the show with the intention that it be binge-watched, but the network-side decided to put it on a weekly release model.
This one got off on the wrong foot with me, tainting my enjoyment of what followed. In Burnham's log she explained why they could not beam down to the crystal spire but not why they could not shuttle down to it, or did I miss something?
Then, as has been stated above many times, things just didn't seem to make sense, and the final insult was it being shorter than usual. I did like that the Cornwell story was finally continued, but wtf was that about?
I am sure I am supposed to be juicing myself over this one but I am not.
Then, as has been stated above many times, things just didn't seem to make sense, and the final insult was it being shorter than usual. I did like that the Cornwell story was finally continued, but wtf was that about?
I am sure I am supposed to be juicing myself over this one but I am not.
CBS don't seem to understand how STD should work on a service streaming model. They are handling the show like it's on normal network telly, which is odd because I got the opposite impression from their other streaming show The Good Fight.