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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x08 - "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"

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DigificWriter said:
CBS is a mainstream Broadcast Network; expecting it to change the way it produces and broadcasts television shows just because one of the shows it's broadcasting right now is Streaming-only is like expecting a Mexican restaurant to serve Chinese food.
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yeah but didn't CBS basically say it was getting into the chinese food business?

they kept comparing discovery to game of thrones and trumpeting the benefits of the streaming platform. but then they cut these things like they need to fit them into an hour time slot with 18 minutes of commercials.
 
DigificWriter said:
CBS is a mainstream Broadcast Network; expecting it to change the way it produces and broadcasts television shows just because one of the shows it's broadcasting right now is Streaming-only is like expecting a Mexican restaurant to serve Chinese food.
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I would definitely try a Mexican restaurant that serves Chinese food. Sounds fun, and confusing.
 
Yeah I agree with others that it feels like the episode was poorly edited. If they needed it to be twice as long, why not just make it twice as long? Who cares, it's all online.
 
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oberth said:
an episode with nothing but klingons?
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Even in DS9, which was the most serialized and character-focused Trek, they had to come up with bullshit B plots (or sometimes single scenes) to shoehorn in the main cast who weren't needed for the story in a given week. I can't possibly see Discovery having entire episodes without a single main character being shown.
 
Chekov's Phaser said:
It felt like it. I looked at the episode length and it was somewhere around 41 minutes. When you take out the previews and credits, it’s got to be under 40. Why on earth do they limit their run times when they are on a streaming site? I’m sure they hope to sell them in syndication someday, but man it’s one of the few benefits this show has being on the very underwhelming CBS All Access. Utilize the platform you are on to let your stories breathe instead of playing some long game with rerun revenue. Or just be on regular CBS so everyone has “access” to it.
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Fully agree on the arbitrary run times. This is an episode that could have used more airtime, and there's no reason why they couldn't have made this 10 min longer. I can only imagine that perhaps the time crunch maybe dictated that no re-shoots on subpar takes would be feasible, and they cut the subpar material rather than air it?
 
Ovation said:
I don’t know if you’re joking, but if they show any inkling of doing something like this, I’m out. :barf::barf2::barf:
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This. :lol:

Vger23 said:
Fully agree on the arbitrary run times. This is an episode that could have used more airtime, and there's no reason why they couldn't have made this 10 min longer. I can only imagine that perhaps the time crunch maybe dictated that no re-shoots on subpar takes would be feasible, and they cut the subpar material rather than air it?
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My guess? By keeping the times the same as broadcast television, they make it possible to run it on their regular channels in the future, with commercials, should they wish to do so and without cutting anything.
 
_Roger_ said:
Yes, DNA merged Stamets-tardigrade-prototaxites-stellaviatori is getting a bit mixed up a la "Brundlefly". No problem - just send him through the transporter with the pattern buffer cross-circuited to the biofilter linked to the Federation DNA database suppressing selected neurotransmitter excess transcription and set the Heisenberg Compensator options for "multiverse virtual tachyon interphase dampening" and Stamets will come out of this just fine.
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Obviously. I was just saying the exact same thing.
 
6/10. This single episode EASILY could have been a two-parter. They clearly had a lot more footage and dialog and whittled it down to make a shorter episode and it doesn't really work from a narrative standpoint. I suppose one of the producers was concerned about pacing or something, but this comes off as incredibly rushed. L'Rell could have afforded to spend more time interrogating the Admiral and definitely more time discussing the nature of the war and where they all fit into it...

Anyway, I just chalk it up to "TV episode that should have been a novel." I'm used to it, so I still enjoy it, but I wish they could do better.
 
Tesophius said:
Yeah I agree with others that it feels like the worried want poorly edited. If they needed it to be twice as long, why not just make it twice as long? Who cares, it's all online.
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Exactly. It's VERY obvious that they ran out of time and compressed it down to make it shorter... but WHY? Your episode is on a streaming service, it can be however long you want it to be. Even the people who actually have to watch commercials still have to sit through to the end of it, right?
 
The planet scenes were disappointing and it is those I would've cut. Michael and Ash's tender moment just to remind us Discovery has romance. The Pahvan's floated around much like the spores do. Two trick pony, I hope I don't get them mixed up. The colours though on the planet were at times Avatar like and quite pretty. It was nice to see some colour pops to relieve monotone scenes.

I guess the gist of the matter was that the Pahvans who like balance are going to be critical to both sides. Yeah.
 
Yeah, the both the Pahvans and the spores (and for that matter, the space life in the third episode) being blue suggests one of two things. One is that the writers want us to see a connection even if the characters cannot see it. Another is they're lazy idiots who don't say "Hey guys, let's do gold or green this time!"

I prefer to think the former. Admittedly, it may just be a stylistic choice rather than a plot-driven one.
 
BillJ said:
He says nothing about "perfect"...
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Actually, yes it does. Invisibility requires a perfect bending of light and other wave lengths. If it's not done perfectly, it's not invisible, just harder to detect.

And that's what was seen in the latest episode. They sort of knew the Klingons were there but not precisely enough until they became visible.
 
I liked the harmonious planet with a consciousness concept. Nice to get back to some exploring.

But this episode has a big problem.

NONE OF IT MAKES ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER?!?

Oh hey, there’s L’rell and the admiral joining forces... Good stuff! But oh noes! The bad Klingons show up! They start fighting, L’Rell says the admiral is dead, despite us hearing her gasp, so she offers to “get rid of the body” by taking her to the storeroom where Klingons apparently keep corpses*?!?
And next scene with L’Rell she’s all “whoops, sorry boss! The corpse escaped!”

*(How DID they ever manage to become a spacefaring species?! It’s a miracle they haven’t been wiped out many times over, with such poor hygiene?! If Starfleet wants to win the war, the most prudent course would be just to kick back, and let epidemics wipe out the Klingon fleet!)

The A-plot of the episode doesn’t fare much better. After discovering the planet is sentient, Burnham & Co. can’t use their crystal transmitter without getting permission from the planet. All of a sudden Saru avoids the question whether they GOT permission and is all “Yeah, sure they’ll let us do whatever!”

Burnham and Tyler are convinced Saru “has been compromised” so she runs off to use the transmitter. If Saru “got compromised” then how do they know they really got permission? Why can’t Saru know about their plan? NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE!!
 
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