^^^
You do realize you just basically admitted ALL Star Trek follows what you stated in your first paragraph by the example in your second, right?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"
- Thread starter Commander Richard
- Start date
You do realize you just basically admitted ALL Star Trek follows what you stated in your first paragraph by the example in your second, right?
No. Some science is Star Trek is made up of course and that is fine, it is scifi, and not even particularly hard scifi. My criticism was about claiming things are based or real science when they're not, and using real terms completely wrong.
Usually if there is no Science or reasonable extension, then utje technobabble is used.
Ignoring if the fungi is sentient, if the Klingons cannot have the spore drive working for themselves I could see them destroying the network.
Ignoring if the fungi is sentient, if the Klingons cannot have the spore drive working for themselves I could see them destroying the network.
Like.
There is no way Tyler is Voq. Tyler is cool, smart, assertive, flirtatious, a good dancer... Voq is none of these things, and wouldn't have learned to be in only a couple weeks with M'Rell's family.
Then again, the show has "time stones" in it, so maybe none of it makes sense.
You make a valid point; there is a double standard regarding male/female rape that I doubt many even thought about until recently.
I can't think of anytime Star Trek dealt with rape head on. Not mind rape or alien glow impregnation or unauthorized cloning, but actual rape. Kira mentioned it as part of the Cardassian occupation, but always in the same breath as forced labor and beatings. Has it gotten it's own showcase?
There was the attempted rape of Yeoman Janice Rand by “evil” Kirk in “The Enemy Within” but it’s so cringeworthy because it’s handled so offensively. In the end Spock says to Rand that her would-be rapist had “interesting qualities”.
There was the attempted rape of Yeoman Janice Rand by “evil” Kirk in “The Enemy Within” but it’s so cringeworthy because it’s handled so offensively. In the end Spock says to Rand that her would-be rapist had “interesting qualities”.
It is also implied that Lars attempted to force himself on Uhura in "Gamesters of Triskelion" and Chekov's attempted rape of Mara in "The Day of the Dove".
Alien glow impregnation is still technically rape.
But even if we're accounting for "not actually physical rape" excuses... In the TNG ep Violations, Troi is "raped" by a mental manifestation of the bad guy, mentally. He takes Riker's form, but it's clear she's unwilling. Is it "rape" if I force you to experience a mental illusion of a sexual encounter you don't want, even if I present myself in the form of a past/present lover?
Yes. Yes it is.
But even if we're accounting for "not actually physical rape" excuses... In the TNG ep Violations, Troi is "raped" by a mental manifestation of the bad guy, mentally. He takes Riker's form, but it's clear she's unwilling. Is it "rape" if I force you to experience a mental illusion of a sexual encounter you don't want, even if I present myself in the form of a past/present lover?
Yes. Yes it is.
In 'Retrospect' (Voyager) the subject of repressed memories with Seven remembering being rendered helpless and an invasive medical procedure being formed on her (Borg tech removed from her body), was the theme of that episode. It did however present a more complex set of considerations. Repressed memory and its reliability. Whether someone is believed, both Seven and Kovin. Even the sense of swift justice versus full investigation. The Doctor trying out his new psycho analytical subroutines.
It wasn't dealing with rape head on though as a topic.
It was weak.
Glom that episode against her glitchy memory in The Voyager Conspiracy, and you can't trust Seven's memory ever again.
He could have been innocent, because his guilt, which would have been so easy to confirm, was never confirmed, which made the story grey when it should have been black and white.
Glom that episode against her glitchy memory in The Voyager Conspiracy, and you can't trust Seven's memory ever again.
He could have been innocent, because his guilt, which would have been so easy to confirm, was never confirmed, which made the story grey when it should have been black and white.
Star Trek isn't science fiction, it's action adventure with fictional science.
Agreed. It was deliberately messy, even having Kovin die in the end. It left not only his actual guilt undecided.. but Seven feeling guilty herself.
If Janeway was a real friend, she would have sling shot around a sun, and gone back in time twelve hours to give a third opinion on what happened.
Hell.
If they can make a powerful enough lens that works in real space, the can monitor the "attack" after spending a minute and a half at warp 8, travelling in a straight line.
28 light hours = 12 billion km = one side of our solar system to the other according to Michael Oduka's warp scale table... Which is 25 minutes at warp 3, to see a little more than yesterday if you can build a gravity mirror, when you get to a point in space far enough away from yesterday to see yesterday clearly as it happened.
Hell.
If they can make a powerful enough lens that works in real space, the can monitor the "attack" after spending a minute and a half at warp 8, travelling in a straight line.
28 light hours = 12 billion km = one side of our solar system to the other according to Michael Oduka's warp scale table... Which is 25 minutes at warp 3, to see a little more than yesterday if you can build a gravity mirror, when you get to a point in space far enough away from yesterday to see yesterday clearly as it happened.
Last edited:
Just needed one of Mudd's time crystals.
There was the attempted rape of Yeoman Janice Rand by “evil” Kirk in “The Enemy Within” but it’s so cringeworthy because it’s handled so offensively. In the end Spock says to Rand that her would-be rapist had “interesting qualities”.
A lot of television in the '60s and '70s had all the gender sensitivity of a Benny Hill drag act with just a fraction of the entertainment value.
Seven was not raped.
Her nano probes MIGHT HAVE BEEN harvested by a thief.
Seven considered this a rape-like violation, because it's similar to organ harvesting, even though Neelix had some of his organs harvested, and he walked away fine, once his girlfriend offered him a lung....
Um?
Klingons have redundant backups of everything.
Which means that she had four lungs, but was probably only using two of them.
What a grinch!!
Later the chief engineer donated a spoonful of brain to some passing strange that the Doctor was into.
Just recognize how fantastic a wingman B'Elanna is.
Would you donate an 1/8th of your liver (they regenerate, it's fine) to some boy in a bar, because your BFF wants to tap that?
Maybe this is why B'Elanna killed the Doctor's daughter?
Her nano probes MIGHT HAVE BEEN harvested by a thief.
Seven considered this a rape-like violation, because it's similar to organ harvesting, even though Neelix had some of his organs harvested, and he walked away fine, once his girlfriend offered him a lung....
Um?
Klingons have redundant backups of everything.
Which means that she had four lungs, but was probably only using two of them.
What a grinch!!
Later the chief engineer donated a spoonful of brain to some passing strange that the Doctor was into.
Just recognize how fantastic a wingman B'Elanna is.
Would you donate an 1/8th of your liver (they regenerate, it's fine) to some boy in a bar, because your BFF wants to tap that?
Maybe this is why B'Elanna killed the Doctor's daughter?
Or the Orb of Time, which is basically the same thing.
The fact that this was blatantly lampshaded by Stamets ("May I say, you are astonishingly grounded for having endured seven months of torture...") in the same breath as he made the observation that Tyler is "a very tall man" makes me think all the more that Tyler is Voq. Or at least that they want that idea to keep floating around so we don't catch on to what they've really got up their sleeves.
I don't want Tyler to be Voq...but it freaks me out that we haven't seen Voq since Tyler has been around.
Yes Seven was not raped. No said she was, however her reaction validated or not was of someone being violated. It still counts.