Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Telepathy as as normal for Betazoids as hearing is for humans and we don't switch our hearing off when people start talking. If an offworder chooses to go to Betazoid why should they change what is their biological norm for them?

I just assumed that Betazoids use telepathy when speaking to each other, but talk to offworlders with normal verbal communication. That would be the respectful thing to do, wouldn't it?

IIRC, Betazed's supposed to be a pleasant place which respects individual rights - aliens included. So a Betazoid would not use telepathy with any alien who didn't already practice it. Forcing telepathy on someone would be like forcing a mind meld...and we all know how repugnant that would be.

I mean, in TNG's "The Drumhead", there was a prosecuting attorney who was a full Betazoid - yet he never used his powers to openly read Simon Tarses' thoughts when Tarses was on the stand...yes, he sensed deception on Tarses' part, but that could be simply taking advantage of Tarses' verbal cues and obvious nervousness. Which any prosecutor would rightly do.

 

[Nyotarules]

I just assumed that Betazoids use telepathy when speaking to each other, but talk to offworlders with normal verbal communication. That would be the respectful thing to do, wouldn't it?

Sure, but if they mentally heard said alien planning to rob a bank why should they ignore it? Do you switch off your ability to hear when you are around the hard of hearing?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But a Betazoid would not hear anyone's thoughts unless they purposely chose to scan them. And they wouldn't do that without permission.

Edit: Tam Elbrun (from that TNG episode with Tin Man) heard the thoughts of everyone around him, as we saw, but there's two reasons for that: 1) his telepathic abilities were out of control, more powerful than anyone else on his world, and 2) Tam was an abrasive jackass anyway.

 

[BillJ]

Not that its necessarily canon, but Desperate Hours establishes there are human colonies that are outside of Federal law. There's a process to do that, essentially. These colonies run things as they see fit, though if they have to call for Federation/Starfleet help at some point they risk loosing their autonomy. Could be a situation like that. Would explain a place like where Yar grew up.

"Legacy" from TNG season four deals with such a colony.

 

[Nyotarules]

Sharon Jones and other artists who hadn't stopped making soul music would disagree, but they weren't in a suitably packaged or tinted frame for consumers, apparently.

It's like ska. Every few years a semi-popular ska band comes out, someone calls it a the umpteenth ska revival. It's just the umpteenth re-noticing. There'd probably be so many music genre's in a interstellar civilization that there would be an urge to cling to a few well received classic forms, so people could still get down at a party without knowing what the hell they were listening to. The same way we still listen to "standards" decades after the songs were written, even with references in the lyrics that will gradually not make much sense.

Nothing is worth revealing to the world when it comes to popular music until it comes in a pretty British pink package. Hence the fuss about Adele, Sam Smith , Joss Stone and Amy Winehouse. When White Brits sing soul watch out Earth!

 

[cooleddie74]

Know who else qualifies as white British soul music?

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[XCV330]

Nothing is worth revealing to the world when it comes to popular music until it comes in a pretty British pink package. Hence the fuss about Adele, Sam Smith , Joss Stone and Amy Winehouse. When White Brits sing soul watch out Earth!

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Real soul still being made, for those who think, Adele qualifies as soul.

 

[Mr Awe]

Exactly. It was referenced again and it was shown to be a failure. So it’s a wrong analogy. If the time loop crystals/technology are referenced again in DSC then I will shut up. Until then it’s as stupid as the interstellar transwarp beaming and Khan’s resurrecting blood from Into Drunkness.

They were presented as being extremely rare crystals. At least the episode is trying to set up reasons for why they are never common in the future of the timeline. If you can fanon away the Genesis device, it's even easier to do so with these crystals.

 

[BillJ]

They were presented as being extremely rare crystals. At least the episode is trying to set up reasons for why they are never common in the future of the timeline.

Or they could've just used a pocket of space/time that repeats itself every thirty minutes, that Mudd stumbles across and figures out how to use to his advantage. No superweapon that leaves us scratching our heads about why no one investigates further to use as a weapon.

The episode would've been largely unchanged.

 

[Mr Awe]

Or they could've just used a pocket of space/time that repeats itself every thirty minutes, that Mudd stumbles across and figures out how to use to his advantage. No superweapon that leaves us scratching our heads about why no one investigates further to use as a weapon.

The episode would've been largely unchanged.

I agree though that they could've done it that way. However, using spatial anomalies has been a bit over done and they might have wanted to avoid that. Also, I'd bet that there'd be complaints about such an unlikely coincidence--Mudd just stumbles across such an anomaly at the same time that Discovery is in it, what are the odds?!

At least with the route they went, you don't have to worry about that impossible coincidence angle.

Personally, I'm fine with accepting that these crystals are incredibly rare and that's why we don't see them again. That's actually a very down to earth explanation (so to speak).

 

[zar]

Sharon Jones and other artists who hadn't stopped making soul music would disagree, but they weren't in a suitably packaged or tinted frame for consumers, apparently.

It's like ska. Every few years a semi-popular ska band comes out, someone calls it a the umpteenth ska revival. It's just the umpteenth re-noticing. There'd probably be so many music genre's in a interstellar civilization that there would be an urge to cling to a few well received classic forms, so people could still get down at a party without knowing what the hell they were listening to. The same way we still listen to "standards" decades after the songs were written, even with references in the lyrics that will gradually not make much sense.

You guys may have missed the part where someone was saying Discovery made a mess of canon by having a 70s music style popular in the 2250s and a 60s music style popular in the 2260s, and I was playing along sarcastically. The idea that music never really dies and may become popular at random times is kind of my point.

 

[XCV330]

Puts on an old cylinder of Altarian Klezmer and ponders that.

 

[jaime]

"Legacy" from TNG season four deals with such a colony.

Turkana IV, it is Yars colony. I think there were others...weren’t the miners part of one in Mudds Women?

 

[Nyotarules]

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Real soul still being made, for those who think, Adele qualifies as soul.

Saw them at the Barbican some years ago, brilliant performers and musicians!

 

[Nyotarules]

You guys may have missed the part where someone was saying Discovery made a mess of canon by having a 70s music style popular in the 2250s and a 60s music style popular in the 2260s, and I was playing along sarcastically. The idea that music never really dies and may become popular at random times is kind of my point.

That's why they insist on playing Beethoven at the club in 2017

 

[BillJ]

Turkana IV, it is Yars colony. I think there were others...weren’t the miners part of one in Mudds Women?

I don't think so. Kirk mentioned them being reliant on starships for defense and supplies.

 

[jaime]

About as often as I see this:

Not been to many Goth clubs then.
Or...
Possibly been to lots of them.

 

[jaime]

That's why they insist on playing Beethoven at the club in 2017

Clubs I went to we danced to Carmina Buruna.

And does nobody remember the Disco version of Beethoven’s fifth? Or the Also Sparch Zarathustra thing?

 

[XCV330]

Clubs I went to we danced to Carmina Buruna.

And does nobody remember the Disco version of Beethoven’s fifth? Or the Also Sparch Zarathustra thing?

I try to for get it. . joking. Jamiroquai did their attempt at funky baroque with King for a Day. It worked well.

 

[Kor]

Which was it's main purpose. And it failed at that. ...

It's main purpose was to be placed onto a dead planetoid or moon or something like that and convert it into a living planet, not to be deposited in the middle of a nebula and conjure up a whole planet from scratch.

But a Betazoid would not hear anyone's thoughts unless they purposely chose to scan them. And they wouldn't do that without permission.

Edit: Tam Elbrun (from that TNG episode with Tin Man) heard the thoughts of everyone around him, as we saw, but there's two reasons for that: 1) his telepathic abilities were out of control, more powerful than anyone else on his world, and 2) Tam was an abrasive jackass anyway.

This. Just because they have a certain ability, that doesn't mean it's "activated" all the time. It's like carrying a flashlight around; you have to actually turn it on to use it.

Kor