Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"
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I'm just saying don't cry "foul / woah is me the oppressed one" when you shit on something the majority seems to find enjoyable.
There's a price to pay. If you feel you need to vent your displeasure online in a forum populated by fans of the object of that displeasure, then be prepared for some backlash. It's actually pretty silly to expect otherwise.
That's all. Nothin' personal, dawg.
Loved the space whale and Andorian spacesuit Mudd had on. Really added some spice to the episode. It seemed to me that the episode was also more colorful visually.
I need to go research more on the Tholians, since some viewers are suggesting the ship inside the Gorgamander/Gormagander looked Tholian. Links to TOS's episode The Tholian Web, apparently. I do recall they were a pretty cool adversary in STO.
I need to go research more on the Tholians, since some viewers are suggesting the ship inside the Gorgamander/Gormagander looked Tholian. Links to TOS's episode The Tholian Web, apparently. I do recall they were a pretty cool adversary in STO.
Yeah, Game of Thrones never forgets a plotline or changes the rules to suit the story that week
Remember one time when they introduced fire breathing dragons? I wonder what happened to that? I guess they felt they were too powerful for one faction to have so they forgot all about them. Just like DSC’s time crystals/bracelet technology then.
One huge problem with that. You assume that I excuse those things from previous iterations of Trek. Which I DON’T. Oops. So all your speculations about previous Treks getting a pass and everything else after that is simply wrong. Silly gaps of logic are silly gaps of logic, period. I hate them in old Trek as much as I hate them in new Trek. You see a hypocrisy not because it exists but because you want to see it. DSC is Star Trek. It’s as silly written and inconsistent as Trek episodes from 50 years ago. And it’s as serialized as Trek was 30 and 20 years ago. Maybe that’s what the producers meant when they said it will adhere to Prime canon.
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Thing is though, you do:
The genesis device is ok as a world changing piece of technology because it was referenced twice and then forgotten for the next 500 or so episodes, but time crystals? Ludicrous!
They turned a nebula into planet.
What followed next was a diplomatic clusterfuck, where every other neighbouring government threatened immediate war unless the Federation destroyed it's stockpile of genesis torpedoes.
What followed next was a diplomatic clusterfuck, where every other neighbouring government threatened immediate war unless the Federation destroyed it's stockpile of genesis torpedoes.
And any attempt to recreate a Genesis Torpedo without using protomatter would have lead to failure, because according to the official report, protomatter could have never been used because it is unreliable and illegal.
Well, while I certainly don't disagree with your thrust here regarding the general issue of double standards among fandom, that plotline (though not the tech aspect of it specifically, more the politics as @Guy Gardener said) continued into STIV, and though Genesis itself wasn't mentioned again by name until "The Omega Directive" (VGR), both DS9 and VGR did use protomatter as a (minor) plot device in a number of episodes, both in creative and destructive contexts. The reigniting of the star in "Second Sight" (DS9) using protomatter was intended to be directly based upon the Genesis Project's research, and the substance was a component of the bomb that Changeling-Bashir tried to blow up Bajor's sun with in "By Inferno's Light" (DS9), for instance. So it wasn't really forgotten, just to be accurate there.
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If you stick an Andorian in a human space suit... Actually the space suit Kirk wore in the Tholian Web might have been fine... Sorry, where was I? ...If you stick an Andorian in a human spacesuit, it's only a matter of seconds until they are sucking their own antennae.
Exactly. It was referenced again and it was shown to be a failure. So it’s a wrong analogy. If the time loop crystals/technology are referenced again in DSC then I will shut up. Until then it’s as stupid as the interstellar transwarp beaming and Khan’s resurrecting blood from Into Drunkness.
She doesn't remember Stamets has to tell her every loop, we just don't see him doing it every time.
It's only in the second last loop Mudd finds out about Stamets and he doesn't get a chance to do much in the last one as they nab him.
A failure at creating a stable planet from a nebula, sure. But it created a very impressive and stable cave full of life, resurrected a Vulcan who died of massive radiation poisoning, and remains a very effective Doomsday weapon which is what the Klingons wanted it for in the first place.
They were in this week's episode for the first time. How can it yet be a fault that they weren't followed up on?
On the topic of time crystals, I actually like that they chose something different to cause the time loop rather than yet another temporal anomaly.
Yeah they want it. In the next movie. So the story was followed up. Wrong example.
It’s even forgotten by all the characters by the end of the episode. Mudd has already used it for two different plans but it never occurs to them to learn anything about it. They just let Mudd go free.
They have his ship, they have his equipment, the Vulcans at least already know about the crystals.
Do you want an episode where they just sit and go through his files?
No one has cried the oppressed one, and I think you know it. It seems some folks want this to be an echo chamber of how great Discovery is, and even if someone enjoys it they aren't allowed to point out what they see as flaws in the various episodes.