Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"
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Still seems like there would be something attached to Mudd's file to let anyone dealing with him know that he is someone not to be dealt with lightly.
So, why isn't everyone in Starfleet and the Federation in the 24th century using Transporters to de-age themselves after the events in TNG's "Unnatural Selection" - I mean since that occurrence NO ONE is going "Hey look - Transporter Tech is a fountain of youth! You can live FOREVER! All we need is some DNA taken during the age you want to be!"
Yeah, never mentioned or used again or the technique further refined by anyone.
But, at some point, don't we want Trek to learn from the mistakes of the past and not create such obvious holes?
Well, Captain Kirk is considered to be a "swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood", so he might be slightly overconfident in any dealings with Harry Mudd. At first. But Kirk isn't soft. He is well aware of Mudd the next two times he encounters the conman.
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Maybe, maybe not. #smug
Seriously, though, we won't know until this season is done. With serialized shows, things we see now may turn up later, or they may have been a one-off.
Time Index: 29:25:
Burnham: "Did he ever say how he did it?"
Tyler: "Something about a non-equalibrial matter state."
Burnham: "...a time crystal. We learned about these at the Vulcan academy, but the decay rate of the lattice is too unpredictable."
So the technology is already known. They didn't need to question Mudd at all.
Maybe you have to collect seven smaller ones and they activate, then when you finally get to the last iteration, they split up again to seven parts of the galaxy and you have to find them all again to use their power. Maybe?
Yes, I know why the producers chose to use 20th and 21st century music. The reasons are obvious. My original question, however, why is a group of 23rd century young people playing centuries old dance music at a party, was a request for an "in-universe" explanation.
I was watching an episode of Firefly not too long ago and here's what DSC could have done; simply play some of Mozart's (or any of the old master's) classical dance music and have the partiers doing some 18th century baroque style dance. The party could have been just as raucous and the music and dance presented as a fad of the day. Tyler, or someome, asks something like, "never got into this fad".
There truly is nothing new under the sun, especially when it comes to pop culture. So baroque dancing to classical music is one of the things that has cycled around again in the 23rd century, similar to the swing dance craze that surfaced for a short time in the 90's. It could also sinify "the future" without having to resort to creating some weird "future" music.
This would likely have meant eliminating the Al Green song, regrettably, but you don't miss what you don't have.
I didn't mean for my response to be taken as condescending.
The funny thing is, if you gender swapped this and had Mudd as a pretty girl running away from a really overbearing and abusive husband, we'd all sort of have mixed feelings about this. Sort of like "Wouldn't she be better off going to prison where at least she's facing justice and not delivered into the arms of some psychotic and controlling space pimp?"
Speaking of which: where are all the guys who were all up in Lorca's hypothetical grill for leaving Mudd on the Klingon ship? I remember that being a pretty heated argument not too long ago...
As I learned from arguing about the Abramsverse movies, this counterargument, meritorious though it is, never works.
Not least because he still knows way too much about the ships security. Where do you lock him up? He has the keys.
Starfleet vessels are packed full of advanced, futuristic technology that the Federation doesn't fully understand. And beyond that, there's ALOT more technology known to Starfleet than technology that Starfleet actually understands and knows how to use correctly.
I feel like this entire issue of forgetting advanced technology would be solved by someone in the transporter/engine/torpedo room breathing a heavy sigh and saying "Hot damn, I did NOT think that was going to work!" That's actually kind of the cool thing about the Franklin launch from STB: Sulu and Chekov both give me the impression that they are REALLY amazed that 100 year old jalopy managed to get airborne at all. It's not something either of them would be caught dead trying unless they were completely desperate.
at that point he'd have way more knowledge about getting around the security than the crew has of implementing the security.
this is why I'd make a bad captain, I'd have him killed.
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Regardless of whether it's 20, 200, or 2000 years old, music inspires thought and emotion in a person. The passage of time has no power there. I can listen to music written 1300 years ago, for a vastly different audience, and still get pleasure from it, even as the contemporaries of that day found such music to be boorish and mediocre. Hell, look at how we revere Shakespeare, and the man was a smut peddler extraordinaire. Yet he's considered shorthand for high level intellectualism and culture.
And keeping him prisoner means explaining him to Starfleet...which would likely lose Lorca his job. Having him killed still is t the Starfleet way even to Lorca.
I am hardly the biggest fans of DSC, Mudd, or indeed TOS...but the outrageous Okona ending is one of the few ways out the corner they had painted themselves into.
The AntiDiscovery Brigade:
"Too different. It is not Trek."
"They should not follow old Trek tropes!"
I'm not sure I want it to rise above it. But, treating it as a super-serious war drama and then trying to dismiss the holes doesn't work for me either.
Like anything else in life, it is a balance. Follow too many tropes and it feels derivative, make it too different and it no longer feels like Trek.
I'll admit it isn't an easy line to walk.
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I don't treat it as a super serious war drama. I treat it as Star Trek's version of a super serious war drama. As a result, there is little conflict in my mind with what I see on the screen.
