"Choose Your Pain" Klingon ship (Visual spoilers?)
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Well, there went what was left of my soul.
Or what if they took a page out of history and... the standard head and neck has been physically removed, and what we see is the secondary bridge?Actually, it does have a discernable head and neck that seem to be recessed into the armored hull, and rather "classic" looking nacelles tucked up underneath. Wouldn't it be wild if, as with the Ferengi marauder from TNG or Voyager or the Scimitar from NEM or the Klingon (!) BoP from STIII or indeed Discovery herself, this design incorporated moving parts that changed configuration in different operational modes, with an extendable neck and unfolding wings, which when revealed would bring it more into line with the traditional Klingon battlecruiser layout? The main hull is certainly the right general shape to start from. Of course, if it had such a "predator mode" then I guess we might have expected to see it deployed at the Battle of the Binaries, but just maybe they're saving it for an "o ye of little faith" reveal! Not that I actually expect this in the slightest, but it sure would make for a nerdgasmy moment eh?
This page, to be exact:
http://engineering.thetafleet.net/Journals/TOS/FASA - 2301B - Revised Klingon Ship Recognition Manual.pdf - page 16
In all models, the command pod can be jettisoned in case of emergency. A small micro-impulse drive system, mounted into the pod just for such emergencies, allows the pod to maneuver itself and travel short distances in hopes of rescue. A pod can maintain the life-support systems and operate the short-range sensors and weapons for up to one year. One of the main features of the pod is the disruptors mounted below the bridge; these weapons will give protection from hostiles and also allow for the self-destruction of the pod if capture is imminent. The secondary bridge, weapons control, and all engineering facilities are located in the main hull. Separated from the command pod, this section of the vessel is capable of maintaining fully functional life-support, weapons, and engine systems for up to two years.
I doubt it and wouldn't give the producers that much credit, but if it were the case then they need to explain it and show a proper D7 alongside what amounts to a Klingon battle bridge so as to differentiate between the two vessels.
I think the production designers just got overzealous and screwed up and now have to cover their butts with some half-arsed explanation most fans won't buy.
I think the production designers just got overzealous and screwed up and now have to cover their butts with some half-arsed explanation most fans won't buy.
Yeah, why didn't they just pause the show and have the showrunners come out with rulers and blueprints to show you how everything works? And why haven't they shown us how L'Rell got there and what happened to Voq? We need an explanation now! ...I don't know why you would expect this show to spoonfeed us all the information on this up front when it hasn't done it for anything else, much less alien starship design.I doubt it and wouldn't give the producers that much credit, but if it were the case then they need to explain it and show a proper D7 alongside what amounts to a Klingon battle bridge so as to differentiate between the two vessels.
I think the production designers just got overzealous and screwed up and now have to cover their butts with some half-arsed explanation most fans won't buy.
There's giving them too much credit, and then there's insulting their intelligence. The half-arsed explanation this fan isn't buying is the idea that no one told the designers what they were supposed to be doing and that this made it through all the levels of production, as a result of either
a) no one noticing the blindingly obvious, or
b) intentionally trying to piss us off.
I don't know what the reason was, but in comparison to the above, I don't think "they borrowed concepts from a Klingon book from the 80s" is that far-fetched. It wouldn't be the first time.
I remember the days when running fan complaints included that the Klingons were becoming a culturally-monolithic caricature of themselves in TNG/DS9, and how it was too bad they'd been stuck with the same three ship designs and the same old samurai outfits for centuries because productions had to keep reusing costumes and props (and footage) from the movies. And that DS9 had decided to lampshade the forehead thing instead of letting it alone to stand as the unspoken retcon it had been from 1979 all the way up through prior seasons of the same show, when Klingon characters from TOS had shown up in the current makeup without comment, and all in the name of nothing more dramatically significant than having a little fun and making a little joke in a self-contained nostalgic anniversary romp! Oh yes, and I remember when they exclaimed that the D-7 in VGR wasn't actually a D-7 as it was said to be! And then the battlecruiser in ENT wasn't the right battlecruiser either—the same wrong one in both cases, in fact! And then the 22nd century's bird of prey looked already too much like the movie/TNG one, which was actually supposed to be a Romulan design (and term) originally, etc.
Does anyone else remember those days?
Things are very different now. But also the same.
Does anyone else remember those days?
Things are very different now. But also the same.
TLDR translation - Remember when Star Trek fans (myself included) nitpicked and complained about the smallest details - and those of us old enough have been doing it since TOS was on the air?
Answer: Yes!
But my second response: Nothing's changed in that regard.
Rebooting the existing continuity doesn't actually change the existing fictional history, which is the whole point. An alternate timeline is one in which the events are free to play out completely differently and there's an explanation as to WHY this happens. But in a reboot, the end result of the story should be the same, at least in broad strokes. For Star Trek, that means everything that happens in TOS still happens, just not neccesarily the way (and with the props/sets/actors) that we remember.
Take all of the TOS episodes in which "Kirk/Spock/McCoy's infatuation with sexy female alien almost dooms everyone" were a major part of the story premise. How many of those episodes would be totally ruined by their not actually having happened that way?
My "ramblings" do not affect the fact that public consciousness is not the final arbiter of story canon.
That depends on what they actually say and do regarding the story progression, eh? It's pretty clear they're going for a soft reboot at this point, even if changing fictional history isn't their intent. So they have a different interpretation of what "continuity" means than you do. And at the end of the day, their interpretation matters, and yours does not.
Actually I was kind of disappointed that the ARC-170 wasn't canonically referred to as an early X-wing design. It would be interesting precedent for the fact that the names of fighters are sometimes shared among entire design lineages/versions and not specifically refer to an individual model type (they already basically do this with the TIE fighter and the A-Wing, and now with Force Awakens and Last Jedi they do it with the X-wing too).
Relevant for this: the X-wing classification would be similar to the D7 in this case. Of the maybe 6 or 7 different cruiser-sized Klingon ships at the Battle of the Binary Stars, I would guess that ALL of them would be defined as D6 or D7s, with the classification primarily defining size and power and not any specific configuration.
How much did they remove and redesign between TOS and TNG?
Nor do they affect the fact that no one said otherwise in the first place.
Yes, whether you put words in their mouths does depend on what they actually say. Incidentally, they haven't said what you say they say, hence, you did.
Technically, so are TMP and TAS, but they're considered part of the same overall continuity. A reboot is what happens when a part of that continuity is restarted and retold a slightly different way.
Harley Quinn entered Batman canon from one of those adaptations and was then adopted in other media as a recurring character; successive adaptations that included her (e.g. Suicide Squad) constitute a reboot for that character relative to TAS and the preceeding films.
This is one of the things that makes a reboot of Star Trek such a scary thing: it's never done this before, and the rules on how to proceed aren't quite clear.
It was the fiftieth anniversary of TOS, which would still exist even if the studios decided that TMP was a literal reboot and not just a restyling.
It's just a question of continuity and how much of existing canon is being preserved for story purposes. As asked earlier: how much of the events of TOS could be retconned or completely disregarded without sacrificing story elements? Is Kirk almost dooming his entire crew for a sexy android really so important that redoing those same events WITHOUT the sexbot story arc would render TOS unwatchable? Would "The Cage" be completely ruined if they went back and redid it with new sets, new actors, and replacing all the undeveloped/outdated dialog and premises (lasers, "rockets," Spock's constant shouting) with what the story developed into later?
Not that Discovery ever will, or even should. But the fictional universe in which it currently exists is depicted differently because the universe ITSELF has been changed to fit the direction of the story.
That's an... interesting... speculative question, which also has nothing to do with whether or not Discovery is a reboot. Your train of thought went off the rails about 10 pages ago, and at this point it has sprouted wings and left the country.
Nope.
For anyone who missed it, here is what Akiva Goldsman said:
“We are the original timeline with the TV shows and movies that fit into that,” Goldsman said during a press conference at New York Comic Con. “We are wildly aware of everything that appears to be a deviation from canon and we will close out all of those issues before they arrive at the 10-year period and hit The Original Series.”
Will it involve space mushrooms or magic time crystals though?
And Benedict Cumberbatch isn't Khan.
