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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"

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So, what do you think of Daddy’s barge? Looked like the Kobayashi Maru in the first moment.

Also, Mudd’s actions in this episode make him nearly irredeemably evil.

Also, heard the news on Anthony Rapp and Kevin Spacey?
 
So, what do you think of Daddy’s barge? Looked like the Kobayashi Maru in the first moment.

Also, Mudd’s actions in this episode make him nearly irredeemably evil.

Also, heard the news on Anthony Rapp and Kevin Spacey?
Sadly, yes. Poor Anthony. I'm glad he was finally able to openly state what happened after 31 years of keeping it in. It crushed my image of Kevin Spacey, but I'd rather the truth be out than me being able to maintain illusions about someone.
 
Don't give me shit about souls, and soul transference.

A digital model of Voqs conciousness is created, that can be mapped on to anyone.

The real (first) Voq is probably fine.

Unless they had to cut his brain into quarters to make the make the digital model, as long as they don't lose the master copy, they can print Voq onto as many Human prisoners as necessary.
 
Another fun episode and some solid character development for Burnham (finally). Stamets is going to get weirder and weirder as the series goes on :lol: and I have to admit I'm really liking it.

I'm also really liking Tyler too. I'll be interested to see how the Burnham / Tyler thing plays out in the future.

Rainn Wilson is completely nailing Mudd thus far. When I fist saw he was cast, I didn't think he'd pull it off, but I've been pleasantly surprised.

Quote of the night goes to Capt. Lorca: "Is the fish safely onboard?" :lol::lol:
 
The preview of next week's episode on After Trek has me excited. An away mission to an alien planet and weird, glowy non-corporeal aliens, Saru trying to communicate with them. Looks classic trek.
 
Isn't it more likely that the real Ash Tyler's personality and memories have been imprinted into an augmented/surgically altered Voq? Seems to me that covers all the worries about language learning, Starfleet knowledge, human sensibilities etc. He doesn't know he's Voq yet. He might be like Talia Winters from Babylon 5, someone currently unaware of his more sinister mission. Plus it makes sense in terms of the behind the scenes shenanigans. The actor Shazad Latif is playing both characters, so they had to create a fake actor/profile for Voq to not give the game away.
 
I loved everything about the episode except the resolution to the loop. They seriously just needed to figure out how to shut off the device, not call up some TOS characters out of nowhere. I love the character development. The party was fresh and interesting. It's more realistic to me than the idea that they've all gone to exclusively listening to classical and jazz by the TNG era.

Ash is not Voq. Could not be less interested in the canon/not canon talk cluttering up this thread.
 
Can't read it, but it looks like an updated version of the Franklin design.

Nah,it’s an upside down shenzhou

Nope. That's not how it works.

I don’t think they were being serious

I dont know if CBS has ever made any statements about it. Clearly there are some things that don't work, First Contact invalidated or at least caused early trek history to be different, but thats been true since the 90's.

First Contact always happened the way it did in the movie, it didn’t change anything.

It was a predestination paradox or whatever. Seven of Nine says this in an episode.

If Ash is Voq, this is about when he should have broken character, with the promise of a reset in 15 minutes, just to see how everything played out. Especially if the ship is about to be sold to a Klingon faction that he is not fond of.

He doesn’t know he’s Voq



You people need to stop arguing with Marsh.
 
The "Tyler is Voq" theory has several huge holes in it that I have yet to see anyone even attempt to fill:
1) The fact that Tyler speaks English flawlessly (there's no chance in heck that Voq could've learned perfect English in 3 weeks or less)

2) The fact that Tyler has an actual verifiable history and service record that the Klingons could not have faked

3) The fact that there's no way the Klingons could've changed Voq's internal physiology and/or made it undetectable to medical scans

4) The fact that there's no way the Klingons could've implanted the personality and memories of the real Ash Tyler into Voq without creating detectable anomalies that would show up on a medical scan

5. he was tortured for quite some time -> his first stop on discovery is sickbay - remember bones needed just a med tricoder to expose darvin as a klingon
 
5. he was tortured for quite some time -> his first stop on discovery is sickbay - remember bones needed just a med tricoder to expose darvin as a klingon

Since trouble with tribbles takes place over 10 years later, they could have adapted the tricorders to detect the Klingon agents better.

Plus are you telling me Arne Darvin went that long without a medical scan?

Arne also wasn’t a sleeper agent, he wasn’t deep undercover. Voq could be more heavily altered then Arne.
 
Alt ending: Stammets injects key members of bridge crew with tardigrade DNA so they retain memory in the loop, never tells Mudd about the spore drive and they nuke the time crystal without bringing Mudd on the ship.
 
I give this episode an 8. A solid time travel story with funny character moments sprinkled throughout. (As an aside, even though I like The Orville to an extent, the humor in this episode worked better than anything in The Orville so far.)

I liked the twist of following Burnham throughout the story rather than Stamets who remembered each loop.
 
Alt ending: Stammets injects key members of bridge crew with tardigrade DNA so they retain memory in the loop, never tells Mudd about the spore drive and they nuke the time crystal without bringing Mudd on the ship.

Wouldn’t have worked, they’d all be as loopy as Stamets
 
5. he was tortured for quite some time -> his first stop on discovery is sickbay - remember bones needed just a med tricoder to expose darvin as a klingon

6. After all that sex with L'Rell, he is in love with her, and will do anything to make her happy.
 
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