Since neither of those shows are the focus of this particular subforum, he might have simply been giving a brief summary of his opinion -- i.e. he liked both shows, but had a few caveats which he listed.
Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time
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Ok, but if you truly liked something you don't just talk about what you hate about them....
I really don't like Discovery, yet have been very impressed with the actors involved and the VFX work. I'm a huge fan of TOS, yet it infuriates me how lax security was under Kirk aboard the Enterprise.
In both instances, the more interesting discussions come from talking about what I don't like about the shows.
Good lord dude. You really have a chip on your shoulder it seems in that anyone who doesn't share or express their opinions in a way you prefer is 'babbling',
it is very possible to like something but still acknowledge and discuss the shortcomings and aspects of it you still didn't care for.
For example - You like ST:YOY and think it has rewatch value.
Myself (Fan since age 6 watching Star Trek first run since 1969) thought is was utter garbage and gave up on it after "The 37's".
And the sad thing was - ST:VOY had a GREAT premise that was abandoned by its third episode. Captain Janeway was written as if she has Bipolar Disorder:
- One week willing to sacrifice the entire ship/crew to uphold the Prime Directive
- Following week it's: "Damn the Prime Directive and risk the ship to save one crewman."
You need to understand that someone isn't 'wrong' because they have a different opinion from yourself, nor are they 'babbling' because they can like something in spite of its flaws and still be able to see/articulate said flaws,
If we all had the same opinion and thought alike - this would be a very boring discussion board - and we'd probably be on the 1701-D in the 24th century giving knowing nods to each other after making a comment we all agreed on.
Data had a definite progressive arc as well with his attempts to aspire to humanity. And we met more members of his "family" ( two brothers, father, grandfather, daughter, mother) than any other.
Yes..
He's not alone, Voyager is the most re-watched of all the Star Trek shows on Netflix. Discovery is barely making it as watchable in its first run, lol.
Voyager has actually gotten better with time. Ages well. Great replay value.
It's a curiosity I think (if I may comment on this) for some of the fans on this site, that Voyager appeals to not just hardcore fans but to the general public.
What's hilarious to me is that I joined this board back when Enterprise was just starting and Voyager was freshly finished.
Here was how it stood then:
TOS was a beloved classic and no one could (or was willing to) say anything bad about it.
TNG was a beloved classic and no one could (or was willing to) say anything bad about it, unless you made the mistake of suggesting it was better than TOS.
DS9 was ignored by most and worshipped by the Niner segment of the boards, but generally the comments were kind.
VGR was considered an execrable piece of filth by a majority of the boards because it was Trek by rote, on autopilot.
ENT was conceived by Satan and positive comments about it were the surest way to start a flame war.
Now, VGR is suddenly loved by a good 50-70% of this board and about 50% admit that ENT wasn't as bad as all that. In another ten years, VGR will be everyone's favorite, ENT will be fondly remembered and DSC will have risen to "just okay" in the minds of many of those currently ripping it.
Here was how it stood then:
TOS was a beloved classic and no one could (or was willing to) say anything bad about it.
TNG was a beloved classic and no one could (or was willing to) say anything bad about it, unless you made the mistake of suggesting it was better than TOS.
DS9 was ignored by most and worshipped by the Niner segment of the boards, but generally the comments were kind.
VGR was considered an execrable piece of filth by a majority of the boards because it was Trek by rote, on autopilot.
ENT was conceived by Satan and positive comments about it were the surest way to start a flame war.
Now, VGR is suddenly loved by a good 50-70% of this board and about 50% admit that ENT wasn't as bad as all that. In another ten years, VGR will be everyone's favorite, ENT will be fondly remembered and DSC will have risen to "just okay" in the minds of many of those currently ripping it.
I don't agree, otherwise nuTrek would have just bombed outright for being "more Trek". nuTrek at the time provided a different take on the material from what Berman was producing and that's the shot in the arm that was needed.
Again, we see from the numbers that a large audience gave ENT a chance. This was the time to bring in something fresh to the franchise after the staleness of VOY. Instead, Berman delivered the same presentation style. What was even more damning was that there were no characters to connect with. TNG at least had a very charismatic cast of characters from the get go and that's part of what help kept the series afloat in its weaker early seasons before finally clicking altogether.
Hammer, meet nail.
The feeling of “more Trek” came along because A) it seemed like we got some new “Trek” thing every other year and B) it was all the same. That’s what happpens when the same man runs the franchise for 14 years and refuses to recognize the changing tv landscape all around him.
Dial back the personal remarks and heated rhetoric, please.
I thought "Code of Honor" was garbage.
I must hate TNG then. Somebody stop me from my rampaging.
I must hate TNG then. Somebody stop me from my rampaging.
It wasn't all the same and it was well received in my opinion. That same man had a pretty good track record..
