Spoilers Who is Captain Lorca?

[Kor]

I haven't read the article, but "Mirror, Mirror" makes the point that humans from the savage Terran Empire just couldn't fit in when plopped down in our universe.
SPOCK: It was far easier for you as civilised men to behave like barbarians, than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilised men. (source: chakoteya.net)

Lorca is not out of place like the mirror Kirk an co.

Kor

 

[Timo]

We should never mistake this for a "fan" thing - the writers are very deliberately playing a game of "spot the ominous omens", with an unknown percentage of those "omens" actually red herrings (often revealed as such on the very next line spoken).

Whether the writers are merely having fun without planning on a big reveal, or trying to steer us away from guessing the big reveal, or going for the exact big reveal the hints hint at, is another game we're expected to play. And since the writers clearly are doing such a good and thorough job with the fake hints, the odds are rather heavily on the side of this being a fairly complex plot aiming at a surprise reveal.

Which might very well be "nobody is a Klingon, least of all those wearing the latex", for all we know at this point.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[XCV330]

Can we just have a complicated character that is having severe problems and working through them in an incredibly wrong manner?

 

[Noname Given]

But Tilly is really a space salamander in disguise.

^^^
Nah! - She's just a real Space Cadet.

 

[Noname Given]

Can we just have a complicated character that is having severe problems and working through them in an incredibly wrong manner?

But...but...It's Star Trek where characters don't have real deep/personal problems...remember Gene's Vision™...
(Yeah, about my line above...)

Like others have said, it would be nice to just see a plain old, really messed up due to life experiences Human in Star Trek for once...no alien influence/mind control/dimensional shift...just a plain old flawed Human being in Star Trek for once.

So, yeah, here's to Lorca being what he is...a Human being.

 

[Albinator]

But...but...It's Star Trek where chaarctes don't have real deep/personal problems...remember Gene's Vision™...
(Yeah, about my line above...)

Like others have said, it would be nice to just see a plain old, really messed up due to life experiences Human in Star Trek for once...no alien influence/mind control/dimensional shift...just a plain old flawed Human being in Star Trek for once.

So, yeah, here's to Lorca being what he is...a Human being.

This is why I like Burnham, why I find her relatable, and someone we can root for. Yes, she's a mutineer. But she's a mutineer because she had her heart in the right place, but made the wrong choice. I think we've all been there. So now, as a viewer, I'm rooting for her to learn better decision making-- decisions that can put to action the feelings in her heart.

I just shake my head at people who say she's unlikeable or hard to root for. It's like those people have never read a book before. It seems after 50 years, Trek fans just want more cardboard cutout characters who never grow and change.

 

[jsp3970]

This is why I like Burnham, why I find her relatable, and someone we can root for. Yes, she's a mutineer. But she's a mutineer because she had her heart in the right place, but made the wrong choice. I think we've all been there. So now, as a viewer, I'm rooting for her to learn better decision making-- decisions that can put to action the feelings in her heart.

I just shake my head at people who say she's unlikeable or hard to root for. It's like those people have never read a book before. It seems after 50 years, Trek fans just want more cardboard cutout characters who never grow and change.

Personally I have no problem with Burnham and while I initially questioned the decision to make the first officer the central character it seems to have worked out but I don't consider her relatable, .

While Lorca is aggressive in the end he has a job to do and it seems that Starfleet has given him the leeway to get that job done. Maybe he is a Klingon or from the mirror universe and maybe Starfleet knows that fact, but as long as he gets the job done then that is all they care about.

 

[XCV330]

This is why I like Burnham, why I find her relatable, and someone we can root for. Yes, she's a mutineer. But she's a mutineer because she had her heart in the right place, but made the wrong choice. I think we've all been there. So now, as a viewer, I'm rooting for her to learn better decision making-- decisions that can put to action the feelings in her heart.

I just shake my head at people who say she's unlikeable or hard to root for. It's like those people have never read a book before. It seems after 50 years, Trek fans just want more cardboard cutout characters who never grow and change.

I agree, definately.

I like Burnham's character. Martin-Green is not playing Burnham as cuddly, or cast-iron or anything else that would be easily relatable, and I think that probably isn't winning her over with some folks. 15 years ago they would have put the character in a liquid latex jumpsuit and she would have been B'urn N'ham, the sultry alien XO who went against her home world due to her loyal and slightly clingy devotion to Captain Bowman. Or something. Who am I kidding I would have watched that. I digress.

The character is suffering through shame, guilt, repressed emotions. Those are uncomfortable feelings we've all had and they are not fun to dwell on. We learn more about her each week, and I just think SMG is going a fantastic job on the role. But then SMG managed to pull off the acting job of slowly dying in a box for an hour, and it worked. She can probably do anything. Fine, I'll admit it. I'm a Sonequa Martin-Green fan. I feel better now.

 

[Vger23]

My theory is that the showrunners are going to go super-meta/Benny Russell with Lorca. Lorca will realise that he is being played by actor, Jason Issacs and his actions are being caused by the personalities of all the villains Issacs has played manifesting within Lorca.

Fire up the popcorn machine, baby!!! I can get onboard for that show!

 

[superior cackling hen]

In my mind Lorca is becoming similar to Garth of Izar... He has psychological troubles, it is clear.

Lorca and Garth are very similar characters to be sure. Garth was one of the most respected Fleet Captains in Star Fleets history,... Until he snapped.

 

[Delaware123]

What if all the humans on the show were actually augmented Klingons, the Klingons were all genetically modified humans, Saru was mirror Lorca, and Sarek was 36 acrobatic tribbles standing on the shoulders of one another inside a Sarek costume?

 

[Delaware123]

Of course I'm totally kidding.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Found an article with a really fascinating theory that the Captain Lorca we've seen so far is actually

Spoiler

from the Mirror Universe and was brought to the Main Universe by the Tantalus field

The points they make in the article make a lot of sense imo.

I actually kinda like this idea. It would be cool if the Prime Lorca is rescued from the Mirror Universe and can retake command of Discovery.

 

[Ithekro]

But Tilly is really a space salamander in disguise.

Best space salamander captain in Starfleet until Janeway.

 

[XCV330]

Of course I'm totally kidding.

You just gave some ST hack novelist over at Pocket Books enough ideas to keep him employed over a 7 book deal.

 

[jsp3970]

What if all the humans on the show were actually augmented Klingons, the Klingons were all genetically modified humans, Saru was mirror Lorca, and Sarek was 36 acrobatic tribbles standing on the shoulders of one another inside a Sarek costume?

What about the tardigrade? Two Ferengi in a costume?

 

[Ithekro]

What about the tardigrade? Two Ferengi in a costume

What, no. That's be silly and totally against canon.

Two Lurians clearly.

 

[BillJ]

haven't read the article, but "Mirror, Mirror" makes the point that humans from the savage Terran Empire just couldn't fit in when plopped down in our universe.
SPOCK: It was far easier for you as civilised men to behave like barbarians, than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilised men. (source: chakoteya.net)

Lorca is not out of place like the mirror Kirk an co.

I really don't think that means anything. There is likely just as wide a variation on personalities in the Mirror Universe as our own. Mirror Spock could've probably slipped into our universe and acclimated without missing a beat.

I still don't want Lorca to be from the Mirror Universe.

 

[Ithekro]

I wonder if they could play a Mirror Universe, straight, rather than over the top? A universe with an expansionistic Terran Empire but people act more or less like normal people for such a society...rather than uncivilized people or barbarians.

 

[Solariabsg25]

I wonder if they could play a Mirror Universe, straight, rather than over the top? A universe with an expansionistic Terran Empire but people act more or less like normal people for such a society...rather than uncivilized people or barbarians.

Probably too late for that, if they did people would probably be up in arms about it not being the "real" Mirror Universe as there were no agoniser booths to punish people for giving the captain hard-boiled eggs when he wanted soft-boiled.