I don't understand why the audience wouldn't be owed satisfaction. I'm paying good money for this show. If it's unsatisfying, then I'm taking my money back to Netflix. Kor
There are certain choice words I could use to respond to you right now, but I wasn't raised that way.
As is your right. But you are still NEVER "owed" satisfaction. You buy a book. You pay money. You get a book. That's all you are owed. You may like, love, be indifferent to, or hate the book. You are NOT owed satisfaction. You are owed...a book. And that is what you received. You buy a movie ticket (same as the book). You buy a concert ticket...a museum ticket...a theatre ticket...etc. The artistic producer puts out a product. He is not entitled to be appreciated, you are not entitled to be happy. It's not complicated. Tedious is expecting everyone to agree with with one's opinion or argument. No one is entitled to that, either.
If I pay somebody to do some work on my car or my house, then I expect them to do a good job. It's the same when I pay for a meal, a book, a theatre ticket, or a TV show. Kor
Kirk don't gotta cuss in his eps to sell Star Trek. Well Tilly do, so this is fuckin' awesome and double-dumbass on you.
Repair work on material objects can be objectively evaluated (was broken, now it works, etc.). Art is entirely a subjective experience. They are not the same. Consumers of art are only owed the experience (the viewing, reading, listening, etc.). They are NOT owed satisfaction. It's not how it works. You can expect, based on past experience, that a given author, film director, painter, composer, musician, etc. will produce something new that is to your liking. You are not, however, OWED a satisfactory experience. Maybe the blues guitarist you like above all others was moved to try something classical--not your cup of tea. Tough. He doesn't owe you more of what you like. He owes you the music you purchased. That's it. Maybe you're a big fan of Scorsese--but then Wolf of Wall Street didn't live up to your expectations. Tough. He didn't owe you satisfaction. He owed you a movie. You got a movie. You are, of course, entitled to express your dissatisfaction, in a myriad of ways, to your heart's content. You are not entitled to be satisfied with the movie. edit: You are entitled to expect the best effort of the artist (singer, actor, painter, musician, etc.). But best effort is no guarantee of "satisfaction" with the final product. That's how it differs from your repair analogy.
Fair enough. I also expect movies to be really long to get my money's worth, because it's such a ripoff to pay twelve bucks for a movie that turns out to be only ninety minutes long when the movie in the next auditorium was close to three hours for the same price. Kor
I guess. But I'd rather see a fantastic, well-made 90 minute film rather than a 3 hour mess where a director with delusions of grandeur doesn't know how to wield the "cutting knife". However, length alone rarely dictates how I feel about a film.
My bad. I've just had one too many run-ins with people who make that argument with no trace of irony.
Yeah it often comes down to refuting. In my opinion an opinion represents something formed and from the person saying it. Why not just offer a different one rather than expect to change someone else's?
No writer ever went into Trek asking themselves "what inspirational story shall I come up with?". That's not how it works. It always starts with the stories and the characters, and depending on the results it may turn out inspirational during the final edit, but that's always an anomaly. It either becomes it or not depending on the viewers. It's not something tangible.
Responding to other poster's arguments is kind of the essence of discussion boards. If you want to rewrite the entire way discussion boards work you're more than welcome to start your own board where no one is allowed to respond and disagree with anyone else's posts. Until then, move on. This whole sidetrack with you guys whining about having your opinions (respectfully) disagreed with is the very definition of the tediousness you claim to want to avoid. I could understand if people were being rude in their disagreement, but they weren't. No one is forcing anything on you anymore than your views are being forced on me by simply expressing them. If you can't handle disagreement than it's incumbent on you to deal with it, not expect everyone else to change.