Bad Language in Discovery

[MakeshiftPython]

Didn't McCoy say damn it a couple of times in TOS? I know they certainly dropped some cursing in the movies so it's not like Trek hasn't cursed before.

I don't think he ever did in the original show, which is crazy, because saying "damn" feels so in character for Bones that it feels weird to think he never uttered it in TOS.

Which makes me wonder if there were fans that hated seeing the TOS films feature language merely because they're too used to the original show not featuring it. I have to assume because if I've learned anything about fandom is that doing something different is always a bad thing.

 

[galad2003]

I googled it and couldn't find an example of Bones saying damn or dammit in TOS but he definitely says it in the movies. Which is ironic because it is a Trope that McCoy says Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor not a....
But I couldn't find him actually saying it. Maybe it's like how Kirk never says "Beam me up Scotty."

But anyway, cursing in Trek isn't new so I don't know what the fuss is.

 

[AntonyF]

It seems that you guys are not really mad about the f-word, its the realization that this is a different star trek that is hard to swallow.

Not really. If Janeway said fuck I would have found it just as unnecessary.

But yes, am I realising that this just wants to be "Core... swearing. Mummy look at me... I'm a grown up now with my naughty words..." yeah it does sadden me. Star Trek used to be more clever than that. And like toilets I could happily live with it being off screen.

But there are people that think if you don't like swearing in something then you must be puritanical... because they're grown up boys too. You must be a fuddy duddy. Talking of which...

So if anyone was offended by that moment and think it will ruin society, you're a fuddy duddy.

A FUDDY DUDDY.

Read my stories in my signature and tell me I'm a fuddy duddy! Quite the opposite... I'm an adult, I like swearing. In adult situations.

Star Trek to me was always an inclusive show... where kids could watch and be inspired. That's my sadness.

 

[cultcross]

If kids can't be inspired by a young woman being excited by science and getting carried away, that's a shame. As others have pointed out, the word was used as an exclamation of excitement at knowledge and dare i say it, discovery. It wasn't a "fuck you".

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Do I have to acknowledge that I'm being tongue-in-cheek by using a term like "fuddy duddy"?

 

[AntonyF]

Don't confuse your personal preference (which is fine) with the norm for society at large. And how does a TV show cursing "debase society", exactly? That's absurd.

I was on a tour yesterday... where they discussed the sculptures on a building built in the 1930s. There was outrage at the sculptures, depicting nudity. On one they had to remove 1.5" inches from the statue's penis as it caused such uproar in its prominence.

I am aware that I am in those sorts of conversations now... where what seems objectionable now will seem fine in 30 years time.

I think to say it's absurd, is absurd. I am so not puritanical... But then to dismiss it is also absurd. I wouldn't say fuck to my boss. Many wouldn't say it to their mums (I do). I wouldn't have said it to my gran. I couldn't have said it to my teacher. if you said it to a stranger on the street, it'd probably be negative. Until that day that kids are taught fuck at school as part of their vocabulary, personally I would have preferred Trek to remain an inclusive show - because (won't repeat it, I said it above) Trek had a huge influence on my life and it seems a shame that today's kids can't be brought up into it.

I just became a marketing minion.... but people like Mae Carol Jemison became an astronaut, inspired by Trek. She was ten when The Original Series aired. Imagine if she was excluded... what would her life have become?

Star Trek is more than a TV show... I think it does have a almost moral obligation from its nature to just be better.

 

[cultcross]

So if the cock goes into the vagina on screen as part of love rather than rape, we're all good?

Certainly a hell of a lot better, yes.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

This whole idea of a child losing its innocence because of a word IS absurd. It's like adults forgot what childhood was actually like.

 

[SolarisOne]

Oh, I guess Trek's gonna have to have one of those disclaimers now:

The following contains violence, coarse language, and adult situations not suitable for minors. Viewer discretion is advised.

 

[Prax]

I am aware that I am in those sorts of conversations now... where what seems objectionable now will seem fine in 30 years time.

It's probably the inherent cycle of decadence, in the never ending rise and fall of civilizations.

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

Star Trek is more than a TV show... I think it does have a almost moral obligation from its nature to just be better.

We are not going to agree on the f-word,
but you are obviously a very passionate star trek fan. (me too)
As i said in my previous post you quoted a part of, this new trek is aimed at a different more adult target, which i like, but i also do share the wish/hope for an additional ST-show that could be more lighthearted and fun for the whole family.

 

[Longinus]

It debases society, because the language children hear in a TV show (which they are going to watch regardless of the rating, because it is after all Star Trek) spoken by purportedly responsible and sophisticated adults is taken as acceptable and normal, and the children will emulate that language. So if Star Trek uses "F______g cool" as an expletive, and a second grader used the same expletive with her teacher in school when she gets a good grade, she can't be blamed for following the example she was shown. I mean if it's good enough for vaunted Starfleet, it's good enough for little girls, right? I just think we can set far better examples.

Oh, for fucks sake, get over it.

Though, as a teacher, I'd say that the kid needs to get at least an A- in order to say 'Fucking cool!' With a lesser grade it is not acceptable. (It is also acceptable to say 'Oh bollocks!' if you get an F.)

 

[Ovation]

Oh, I guess Trek's gonna have to have one of those disclaimers now:

It does in Canada.

Star Trek is more than a TV show... I think it does have a almost moral obligation from its nature to just be better.

No. It really, really doesn’t.

 

[Longinus]

If kids can't be inspired by a young woman being excited by science and getting carried away, that's a shame. As others have pointed out, the word was used as an exclamation of excitement at knowledge and dare i say it, discovery. It wasn't a "fuck you".

Indeed. If there was anything offensive about that scene, it was how fucking stupid the science in question was. But it was really nice to portray people being this exited about science, I wish more people in real life were.

 

[Prax]

So the F word in episode 5, was replaced by "groooovy" in episode 6. The last time that was used in ST, was when Tom Paris tried to hit on Sarah Silverman. She looked at him like he was nuts.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So the F word in episode 5, was replaced by "groooovy" in episode 6. The last time that was used in ST, was when Tom Paris tried to hit on Sarah Silverman. She looked at him like he was nuts.

People look at me that way when I use it, too. Also when I don't

 

[_Roger_]

I was not offended when Tilly said "F_____g cool!" It was a celebratory joyful expletive, and I smiled in solidarity with her character when I saw her say it. My only concern in all that I have written on this topic, is with regard to the suitability for younger children.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I was not offended when Tilly said "F_____g cool!" It was a celebratory joyful expletive, and I smiled in solidarity with her character when I saw her say it. My only concern in all that I have written on this topic, is with regard to the suitability for younger children.

And were you equally concerned with Kirk saying "Let's get the hell out of here"? Or Picard's use of "Merde"?

 

[Refuge]

I think it's Tilly and Stamets. She looked stupid saying 'fuckin' cool' and he looked lame arse saying 'groovy'. It's a mess. I mean groovy is so Sixties. I'm half expecting Stamets to give Tilly props for having a cow, man.

Cringe cringe cringe.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I mean groovy is so Sixties and when did 'awesome' become entrenched in our language?

In the last two decades.