Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

[Crazy Eddie]

As a person of colour my favourite episode is Code of Honor

"Star Trek: Mandingo"

Hey now, I've been called unreasonable, irrational, immoral and not a true Trek fan elsewhere for being okay with some of the choices made by the writers and producers, but I've never been called slack-jawed! How dare you accuse me of drool!

On top of that you're probably an arrogant motherfucker (like me) for thinking Harry Mudd's beard isn't a massive canon violation.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

"Star Trek: Mandingo"


On top of that you're probably an arrogant motherfucker (like me) for thinking Harry Mudd's beard isn't a massive canon violation.

To boldly mandingo where no one has mandingone before

I haven' t seen any of TOS with Mudd, so I didn't care which still probably make me an arrogant motherfucker

 

[Crazy Eddie]

my fuckin sides

 

[XCV330]

Fret not my good fellow, someone accused me of being a "traitor to humanity" for my choice to pay for CBSAA because "if we'd all just boycott...they'd learn a lesson and put the show on the network for free." And so it is "idiots like me" that ruin life for others.

I immediately went and bought another subscription. Just out of spite.

Tell them on Facebook.

Typical CBS/Discovery blurb on facebook
"Here's a cool shot of the interior of a shuttle!"
followed by 200 "I'm not paying CBS this huge amount of money for this terrible revolting show that will cause the earth to stop spinning and life on earth to end as we know it! Oh Roddenberry Why have you forsaken thine followers oh Bird!" replies.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Lets say that Tilly digs Tyler.

They hook up, define the relationship, and get on a road to married with children, and she may even be knocked up when Tyler finally admits that he is a Klingon spy, and that he wants to take her back to the Empire with him, because he loves her so much.

Is Tilly going to betray the Federation, she likes taking body shots off Tyler's many, many abs?

Or is Tilly going to shoot the father of her unborn child in the face with a phaser?

 

[Succubint]

I think you hit it on the head. Anecdotal it may be, but I've noticed that too amongst my family/friends, as well. In fact, I've received some flack myself for liking DSC because I'm a Niner.

Interesting, I wonder if that hypothesis holds up with more data, rather than just anecdotal. I love TNG because it got me and my husband together (he had the rerun tapes and offered to show me....wink wink) but I am a Niner Trekkie through and through.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Interesting, I wonder if that hypothesis holds up with more data, rather than just anecdotal. I love TNG because it got me and my husband together (he had the rerun tapes and offered to show me....wink wink) but I am a Niner Trekkie through and through.

Big time Niner here as well. Started with Voyager when I was 14. I'm 35 now and very rarely watch Voyager. I do enjoy TNG for most part but DS9 is by far my favourite trek series

 

[Guy Gardener]

####.

Her name is Silly Tilly?

Her parents are thoughtless & brain dead to let that one slip by.

The more rank Tilly has, the more living space she is entitled to, and no one can sleep with her, who is allowed to complain, a lack of rank hath no privileges, so as Tilly gets promoted, Burnham will follow and accordingly also be awarded better living conditions.

Unless Tilly's turnip cooking quarantine has landed her already a stateroom, usually reserved for admirals and ambassadors because space reserved for cadets is viciously and responsibly budgeted, that there would be hell to pay if a cadets billet was left empty for special needs, in times of war.

 

[indranee]

Big time Niner here as well. Started with Voyager when I was 14. I'm 35 now and very rarely watch Voyager. I do enjoy TNG for most part but DS9 is by far my favourite trek series

I started with reruns of TOS, the TOS movies, and then TNG (never took to VOY), but the very meh first season of DS9 turned me into a Niner. Maybe someone should do a poll on this AND the Niner forum

 

[Refuge]

I immediately went and bought another subscription. Just out of spite.

Oh.. dear

I just think it's lovely people are enjoying Discovery, however if they find it uncomfortable reading any criticism they can always flit past it.

 

[indranee]

I'm all for dark scifi, even dark Trek, but for me it only works when you at least have some kind of character to root for. Now we're basically treating the USS Equinox as standard, torturing creatures to death for military advantage.

And Seru needs to stop whipping out the predator/prey metaphor every time he needs to call someone a jerk, he's laying it on kinda thick.

The difference between Adama and Lorca is that Adama always treated his moral bargains as a regrettable necessity. Lorca acts like morals are stupid to begin with.

It's like, yeah, this is probably how real humans would behave in the Star Trek universe. That's all well and good but why the hell should I root for the protagonists if they are neither morally better nor interesting enough to make me want to root for the bad guy.

I don't understand. Why do you need to ROOT for someone in order to watch a TV show?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I started with reruns of TOS, the TOS movies, and then TNG (never took to VOY), but the very meh first season of DS9 turned me into a Niner. Maybe someone should do a poll on this AND the Niner forum

I just did a rewatch of DS9 and boy are those first 2 seasons tough going. I won't lie I did skip more than a few episodes. Discovery is smooth sailing thus far in comparison. It would be interesting to see the ration of DS9 fans who also like DIS

 

[Refuge]

Lets say that Tilly digs Tyler.

They hook up, define the relationship, and get on a road to married with children, and she may even be knocked up when Tyler finally admits that he is a Klingon spy, and that he wants to take her back to the Empire with him, because he loves her so much.

Is Tilly going to betray the Federation, she likes taking body shots off Tyler's many, many abs?

Or is Tilly going to shoot the father of her unborn child in the face with a phaser?

So they have a fight and he eats her because that's what evil Klingons do.

 

[Refuge]

I don't understand. Why do you need to ROOT for someone in order to watch a TV show?

Because it's more enjoyable that way.

 

[indranee]

Because it's more enjoyable that way.

See, maybe it's because I am inherently confrontational... but I actually love shows where there's no one who's completely saintly. I like watching those characters even if IRL I may dislike them. That's the good thing about stories. You can guilty pleasure the heck out of them.

 

[Refuge]

See, maybe it's because I am inherently confrontational... but I actually love shows where there's no one who's completely saintly. I like watching those characters even if IRL I may dislike them. That's the good thing about stories. You can guilty pleasure the heck out of them.

Lol, you must be loving Discovery then. Is there anyone even half way pleasant let alone could aspire to being one tenth saintly? It's like they're all so flawed they're damaged. Mind you I'm inherently a gentle soul

The Doctor seemed half way kindly, but even he was pretty dim. I mean it didn't take a medical degree to see Ripper was hurting.

 

[indranee]

Lol, you must be loving Discovery then. Is there anyone even half way pleasant let alone could aspire to being one tenth saintly? It's like they're all so flawed they're damaged. Mind you I'm inherently a gentle soul

The Doctor seemed half way kindly, but even he was pretty dim. I mean it didn't take a medical degree to see Ripper was hurting.

So being, uhh, "dim" is a drawback for you too, huh?

I am loving it for several reasons. I'm an "old" Trekkie and I'm happy to have Trek back on TV. I'm not happy about paying the extra bucks, but I don't mind it because I could easily spend that six bucks on a sandwich I shouldn't eat anyway. As it is, the streaming platform ensures that Trek won't "play safe" (at least, it looks that way to an extent). I like that because I'm tired of vanilla Trek, tbh. I also like the fact that no one is completely goody-two-shoes nor to we have a Wesley Crusher (I was afraid Tilly would be; thankfully she's not). I like the dialogue -- crisp yet unclean; I like the decor (top notch to me because I can let go of unimportant things like how THIS show produced in the 2010s doesn't look like THAT, er, show produced in the damned 1960s) because Trek has never really been about the look. I like it because I can (with my Roku) sit in my living room (or wherever I prefer) and watch new Trek on Sunday night. I am also loving it because I see younger millennials and generation Z kids who thought of the JJ-verse movies are SW-lite are beginning to give DSC a second glance and get that rapt look on their faces... just like I had back in the '90s watching the six-ep arc on DS9.

What else can I say? I like it because it's Trek, and I never thought of Trek as the great moralizer (unlike some other people) because I paid attention to shows like City on the Edge of Forever when Kirk made a hard and terrible choice. I could name plenty other episodes and characters on any OTHER Trek where the moral high ground wasn't "ours" and some of these are the best loved episodes in the franchise.

I think I might just keep watching...

 

[Noname Given]

Lets say that Tilly digs Tyler.

They hook up, define the relationship, and get on a road to married with children, and she may even be knocked up when Tyler finally admits that he is a Klingon spy, and that he wants to take her back to the Empire with him, because he loves her so much.

Is Tilly going to betray the Federation, she likes taking body shots off Tyler's many, many abs?

Or is Tilly going to shoot the father of her unborn child in the face with a phaser?

No, Tilly will just be an ancestor to the Klingon parent of B'elanna Torres.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

What else can I say? I like it because it's Trek, and I never thought of Trek as the great moralizer (unlike some other people) because I paid attention to shows like City on the Edge of Forever when Kirk made a hard and terrible choice. I could name plenty other episodes and characters on any OTHER Trek where the moral high ground wasn't "ours" and some of these are the best loved episodes in the franchise.

I think I might just keep watching...

This. Star Trek was always at it's best when the characters acted like real humans and had to make hard and terrible choices, often for the greater good.

 

[Refuge]

So being, uhh, "dim" is a drawback for you too, huh?

I am loving it for several reasons. I'm an "old" Trekkie and I'm happy to have Trek back on TV. I'm not happy about paying the extra bucks, but I don't mind it because I could easily spend that six bucks on a sandwich I shouldn't eat anyway. As it is, the streaming platform ensures that Trek won't "play safe" (at least, it looks that way to an extent). I like that because I'm tired of vanilla Trek, tbh. I also like the fact that no one is completely goody-two-shoes nor to we have a Wesley Crusher (I was afraid Tilly would be; thankfully she's not). I like the dialogue -- crisp yet unclean; I like the decor (top notch to me because I can let go of unimportant things like how THIS show produced in the 2010s doesn't look like THAT, er, show produced in the damned 1960s) because Trek has never really been about the look. I like it because I can (with my Roku) sit in my living room (or wherever I prefer) and watch new Trek on Sunday night. I am also loving it because I see younger millennials and generation Z kids who thought of the JJ-verse movies are SW-lite are beginning to give DSC a second glance and get that rapt look on their faces... just like I had back in the '90s watching the six-ep arc on DS9.

What else can I say? I like it because it's Trek, and I never thought of Trek as the great moralizer (unlike some other people) because I paid attention to shows like City on the Edge of Forever when Kirk made a hard and terrible choice. I could name plenty other episodes and characters on any OTHER Trek where the moral high ground wasn't "ours" and some of these are the best loved episodes in the franchise.

I think I might just keep watching...

Watch away and enjoy. So far I've also been watching and like you have come to the table with previous Trek viewer mileage However I did enjoy past Trek so maybe that's the difference. It had humour, colour and soul.

That being said I will continue until and if it totally jumps the shark, because I have a loyalty and a free month.. that has now been increased by two more.