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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

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Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
In a Mirror, Darkly
Star Trek Beyond

felt like a TOS episode, particularly V.



I actually like virtually all the main Discovery crewmember characters more then her.


Also hi everyone! I'm new here.

Very good points, I'll definitely agree with StarTrek V (I've actually posted this myself in the past in defense of the film) and Beyond.

I probably should have specified "on television"
 
Ok, this eye thing with Lorca, are they just wearing their Illusive Man inspiration on their sleeve a little there? It'd only be more blatant if he were played by Martin Sheen.
 
Everything she says in the article is true, though, including that quote. Calling it a "dumb site" is not a rebuttal.
Well, maybe not this:
Mudd helps Kirk defeat the robots, and Kirk still leaves him behind, to make sure the robots don’t stray from their path. In that case, Mudd helped create the mess, Kirk made sure he helps clean it up. That’s not what Lorca did.
Because this is how it actually went down
MUDD: Kirk, now what's this I hear about my having to stay here?
KIRK: Yes, Mudd, you've been paroled to the android population of this planet.
SPOCK: The androids are being reprogrammed. Their original purpose was to adapt this planet for productive use. They'll begin that work again.
MUDD: But what do I do? Kirk, I'm no scientist.
KIRK: No, you're an irritant. You'll stay here and provide a first-class example to the androids of a human failure. They'll learn by close observation how to avoid ones like you in the future.
MUDD: How long?
KIRK: As long as you continue to be an irritant, Harry. It's up to you.
MUDD: I suppose that taking everything into consideration, as it were, and noting all the different possibilities, I could manage. And as detention sentences go, this one isn't too uncomfortable. And I'm back in the galaxy again!
KIRK: Yes, you are. Oh, there's one more thing, Harry. We've programmed a special android attendant to take care of your every need. She'll help you find an incentive to work with the androids and not exploit them.
MUDD: I call that unexpectedly civil of you, Captain.
KIRK: Yes.
STELLA 1: Harcourt! Harcourt Fenton Mudd, what have you been up to? Have you been drinking again? You answer me!
MUDD: Shut up!
STELLA: You miserable, conniving toad!
MUDD: I order you. Shut up, Stella!
STELLA 1: Staying out all night then giving me some silly story.
STELLA 2: Harcourt! Harcourt Fenton Mudd, you've been overeating again and drinking.
MUDD: Kirk, you can't do this.
STELLA 2: You need constant supervision.
MUDD: It's inhuman.
STELLA 2: I can see I've got my work cut out for me.
STELLA 500: Harcourt.
MUDD: No. Number five hundred? No, no, no.
STELLA 500: What have you been up to?
MUDD: (barely heard over the cacophony) Kirk. It's inhuman. Mercy.
KIRK: Goodbye, Harry. Have fun.
He wasn't leaving Mudd to clean up a mess or to help the Androids. He was just being a dick. :lol:
 
I get the feeling Lorca knows. I get the feeling there are a number of less-obvious things we aren't being told on purpose. Things that Lorca is aware of. Like, how the Hell they intercepted a Federation shuttle craft in Federation space? This implies there is another spy already in the fleet. A high ranking one.
 
I get the feeling Lorca knows. I get the feeling there are a number of less-obvious things we aren't being told on purpose. Things that Lorca is aware of. Like, how the Hell they intercepted a Federation shuttle craft in Federation space? This implies there is another spy already in the fleet. A high ranking one.
If I had to guess, I'd say LORCA was the leak. And I would speculate that his whole reason for getting captured in the first place was to spring Lieutenant Whatshisface from the Klingon ship. I do not get the impression that this is some random dude Lorca just happened to find in the brig of a Klingon cruiser and then escaped with him.

Yes, this was a rescue mission. But it wasn't for Captain Lorca.
 
Short review:

The Discovery crew mostly acted like idiots, and I absolutely hate Saru now. Rainn Wilson is just as terrible as he usually is, and his character is in no way Harry Mudd. This was easily the worst episode of the show, worse then the first part of the pilot even, but the decent Lorca stuff and the reference to April/Decker/Pike manage to bump this up to a 5/10.
 
Loved the ending, very Lynchian. Is it just me or is Lorca some kind of Ultra-Sisko? I can't be the only one to think that.
 
If I had to guess, I'd say LORCA was the leak. And I would speculate that his whole reason for getting captured in the first place was to spring Lieutenant Whatshisface from the Klingon ship. I do not get the impression that this is some random dude Lorca just happened to find in the brig of a Klingon cruiser and then escaped with him.

Yes, this was a rescue mission. But it wasn't for Captain Lorca.

I dn't think this is the case because if it was it would make the torture scenes between L'Rell and Lorca make no sense.
 
Voq's pulling an Arne Darvin and after the sneak preview of the mess hall scene from the next episode it seems as clear as ever that he's a Klingon. He's either been surgically altered or the Augment virus - perhaps dormant in his bloodstream - has been reactivated to give him a human appearance. Ash Tyler is a Klingon spy, and probably Voq himself.
 
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I get the feeling Lorca knows. I get the feeling there are a number of less-obvious things we aren't being told on purpose. Things that Lorca is aware of. Like, how the Hell they intercepted a Federation shuttle craft in Federation space? This implies there is another spy already in the fleet. A high ranking one.

My guess is Admiral Cornwell. In the 'this season on Star Trek Discovery' trailer I'm sure I remember seeing Cornwell fighting with L'rell. Originally i thought that meant that Cornwell got captured with Lorca but that wasn't the case, so I'm wondering if it has something to do with Cornwell being a Klingon agent. Unfortunately, I can't find the trailer online to confirm that it was Cornwell and L'rell that I saw.
 
As religion is effectively dead in Roddenberry's utopia, and the "P" in "WASP" stands for "Protestant", the best you're likely to get by the 23rd century is "WAS". And as it's not entirely clear in this utopian one-world government if Anglo Saxons are even a thing any more, it really should be just "W".

Eh, not so much dead as no longer the ruling and politically-dominant force it was a few centuries earlier. Phlox says in "Cold Front(ENT)" that the Vatican and Buddhist places of worship are still in operation during the 22nd century and we saw a multifaith chapel aboard Kirk's Enterprise in "Balance of Terror(TOS)" so religions and faith are still a force in human society, just no longer the overriding and world-dominant influences they are in our time.
 
My guess is Admiral Cornwell. In the 'this season on Star Trek Discovery' trailer I'm sure I remember seeing Cornwell fighting with L'rell. Originally i thought that meant that Cornwell got captured with Lorca but that wasn't the case, so I'm wondering if it has something to do with Cornwell being a Klingon agent. Unfortunately, I can't find the trailer online to confirm that it was Cornwell and L'rell that I saw.

That's a very interesting possibility...

Was it this one you were referring to?
http://www.cbs.com/shows/star-trek-...star-trek-this-season-on-star-trek-discovery/
 
I dn't think this is the case because if it was it would make the torture scenes between L'Rell and Lorca make no sense.
How do you figure? L'Rell doesn't know that Lorca's the source. Just like Lorca doesn't know -- until L'Rell tips her hand -- that Mudd is an informant. She would no more be aware of Lorca's reason for being there than Mudd; as far as she knows, she just happened to get an intelligence tip from an inside source that a high value target was passing through a particular system at a particular time on a shuttlecraft.

Lorca plays people. It's his main character trait, his main strength as a person and as a captain. He exploits people and subverts their abilities -- and their weaknesses -- to his own advantage. He did this with Burnham, he did it with Mudd, he does it all the time with Stamets. I'd be a little disappointed if he wasn't doing something similar to the Klingons in this case.
 
You're assuming Lorca has zero idea Tyler is a spy. That may the the case, or it may not.
This. We keep acting as though we are incredibly superior to the characters/writers and see things they don't, and then the next episode addresses that very thing. Burnham's ambiguous blame, the use of the tardigrade as a beast of burden, both addressed after being moaned about here. It seems that it is largely the audience thinking the writers don't notice the storylines they are writing. It was obvious Tyler was a spy because that was intentionally the case. Now whether it was misdirection or whether he is and Lorca knows it, remains to be seen. But I'll be surprised if the show doesn't pick up the thread because that's not been its style so far.
 
Was it just my impression, or was the CGI greatly improved for this episode? Discovery's jump effect seemed different (better) and the overall look of the ship seemed crisper.

Was disappointed by the D7, especially since there was no reason to call it a D7, they could have called it the G5, H2, Z236 or what ever.
 
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