Ya know, I feel sometimes RAMA's opinions are flawed because he's got some serious optimism bias, but I'll take that over all the overflowing hateful negativity among other sections of fandom, honestly.
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It isn't that he is optimistic, there's nothing wrong in that. It is the raw condescension he presents. Like his opinion is better than everyone else, and you are a lesser person if you disagree with him.
Not even close, what you get is a cheap knock off.
Orville doesn't handle sci fi or drama well or even logic.
Their attempts at the "lawyer" type episode was neither clever nor well thought out. When TNG presented an episode deciding Data as property or not, or deciding whether J. Dax was responsible for crimes done as K. Dax, the show presented a balanced sincere effort. Positing actual arguments that could make sense on both sides. When orville does it, they lack logic. One sided arguments that offer no balance, no real drama.
Their excursion on the Krill ship was at best superficial and cookie cutter, Their take on religion is incredibly one sided, where again Trek more often than not offers weighted balance.
Without the humor Orville is what it is, an excuse for a joke with no jokes.
Well your right saying it was better trek is a bit much. The comedy separates it in a big way. It's different trek, or how I would imagine trek would be if it was more comedic. I wish they would tone down the humor just a bit.
Well, my 'uninformed and dim' opinion is that in certain places this goes beyond reimagining. The D7 is the most glaring example. Reimagining should be at least somehow recognisable as the thing being reimagined, this is not the case here.
I'm sorry, but did you actually watch "About a Girl"? They did present both sides of the argument and the humans lost.
Star Trek has been designed to not offend for quite a while now. That's why you get nail biters about whether or not Data is property. Because no one has ingrained feelings either way.
Presenting both sides isn't simply speaking both opinions. Writing such an episode well takes a sincere attempt to argue the opposing point as if it were your own. Else the drama is laughable and unbelievable.
They used incredibly poor arguments with a superior one sided tone. Simply writing in that they lost isn't presenting a balanced argument.
When I watch the show writers write in arguments about Data as property or his own man, it's clear enterprise and co. are passionate that he is his own man, but the arguments presented to the counter weren't merely spoken objections, rather they were very convincing points.
Same thing with debating Dax's responsibility for crimes accross hosts, the arguments presented weren't just there to push a dialogue or plot but were very, very convincing.
I don't think the Orville did at all a good job of weighing a complex social issue, and certainly didn't do any sort of good job expanding it to an alien culture.
Now, don't get me wrong, i'm not per say holding that against Orville, I DIG the show, and to be frank sometimes when I watch TV i don't necessarily want a challenge, sometimes i like good comedy, when I wanna be challenged i'll watch the best of TNG or DS9,
I just find the idea that without the laughs, these episodes somehow hold up against similar trek ones to be fairly silly,
Did you miss the discussion between Mercer and Grayson about whether or not what they were doing was right? You seem to be totally misrepresenting what actually happened in the episode.
Yeah the blip of a moment where he acknowledged the very notion he brought up to be utterly ridiculous?
that's my point, simply SPEAKING an objecting point is not the same as presenting it sincerely.
The episodes of DS9 where Winn shows up and protests the school, calling for religious inclusion in the curriculum,
Sensibly ( at least to my sensibilities ) Keiko refuses, however Kira herself has very sensible arguments as to why it's a good idea. You can tell where Sisko lay on the issue,
At some point Jake angrily vents on how stupid the Idea Is, Sisko doesn't simply present a rational counter to jake as "Hey I already know this is a stupid point, but..." Sisko presented a rational counter opinion to Jake's own opinion, sincerely. Giving actual weight to the position of the Bajoran "fundamentalists"
The way I remember Orville's attempt, everyone was against it except Bortus' mate, and the one attempt made by Mercer was shallow, and still one sided. He wasn't truly trying to understand the issue. Even if he was, that's one brief moment in an episode full of logic holes so big I could fly the Orville through them myself.
Holy moly, what a condescending windbag. So, unless you gush over Disc. you're a hater that is part of an organized effort to down-vote the latest series? I guess he can add paranoid to the condescending moniker.
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