"Choose Your Pain" Klingon ship (Visual spoilers?)

[Longinus]

The design was apparently already seen in the 'Binary Stars.' It has no neck or head, nor engines on the tips of the 'wings'. It looks about as much like original D7 than Millennium Falcon looks like original Enterprise. This is obviously not an update, nor it is even a redesign. It is a thing being replaced by a completely different thing.

 

[Gonzo]

We haven't had a proper look at the warbirds yet either.

We saw the Birds of Prey in a short sequence in a previous episode, I forget which one, they looked like Death Gliders.

For me Warbirds are more Romulan 24th century not Klingon 23rd century, in this era the Romulans should be using Birds of Prey like we saw in TOS, if the Klingons have cloaks the Romulans should as well.

 

[Mach5]

"Warbirds", "Birds of Prey", I mix those two up all the time. Heck, the writers do too.

 

[Psion]

Considering that this show isn’t even remotely close to what we know as the “Prime” universe, what makes one think that the “Mirror” universe as presented in DSC will be remotely the same as what we saw in TOS/DS9?

I'm thinking that what we're seeing in Discovery is a universe where something changed with the Klingons, and that change has had only modest effects on the Federation. Lorca and Landry (and perhaps others) came to Discoverse sometime around when the Buran was destroyed with all hands, including the Captain. The new Lorca has taken over his role, although at least one Admiral is complicit in this deception, probably with the idea of using research into reality-hopping drive systems to help win the war against the Klingons. This explains a bunch of clues that have been slowly adding up:

• We know there's not just one 'Mirror' episode coming, but several;
• Spore drive appears to be successful. Even the ethical problems have been solved. But that just can't be since there's nothing like it that is ever used again in Star Trek;
  
• According to show runners, everything that appears out of whack will be explained by the time the season ends;
• Higher-ups have decreed 'no round nacelles' on Starfleet vessels;
• Uniforms that look like the original Cage attire were made and seen by visitors as hanging on racks, but aren't being used.
• Why even keep those uniforms out where visitors can see them?!
• Lorca is the only survivor from the U.S.S. Buran;
• Lorca was granted ridiculous sovereignty over his mission -- especially after losing a ship;
• Landry treated her prisoners in a decidedly un-Starfleet manner.

The only thing I can't figure out is Lorca's eyes. This is obviously another puzzle piece, but I can't figure out how it fits.

 

[Gonzo]

"Warbirds", "Birds of Prey", I mix those two up all the time. Heck, the writers do too.

I have always considered them mutually exclusive but I had the Star Trek Fact Files as a kid so I knew all the different types and who was using what and when.

Historically the Klingons and Romulans used Birds of Prey nomenclature in the 2260's, then the Romulans dropped the Birds of Prey nomenclature and switched over to calling their ships Warbirds in the late 23rd to early 24th century.

 

[Longinus]

@Psion, easier explanation is that the show runners do what they want and just lied about this being prime in any meaningful sense.

 

[Gonzo]

@Psion, easier explanation is that the show runners do what they want and just lied about this being prime in any meaningful sense.

Some of want I have seen does seem like prime timeline like the snowflake idiot admiral for instance, some other aspects could be taken different ways.

 

[Longinus]

I have always considered them mutually exclusive but I had the Star Trek Fact Files as a kid so I knew all the different types and who was using what and when.

Historically the Klingons and Romulans used Birds of Prey nomenclature in the 2260's, then the Romulans dropped the Birds of Prey nomenclature and switched over to calling their ships Warbirds in the late 23rd to early 24th century.

I don't think there was any switch. Birds of Prey are smallish, often cloak capable ships, Warbirds are what Romulans call their cruisers and other big ships.

 

[Tuskin38]

@Psion, easier explanation is that the show runners do what they want and just lied about this being prime in any meaningful sense.

Nope, they didn’t lie.

It’s still, story/lore wise the Prime Universe.

All they did was change up the visuals.

 

[Psion]

@Psion, easier explanation is that the show runners do what they want and just lied about this being prime in any meaningful sense.

Yes, and that's what I've been assuming all along, too. Parsimony suggests that's what is going on. However, that D7 thing was a huge change. Especially considering it is a design that is almost as iconic as the original Enterprise. All these things are starting to add up, and I'm no longer treating them as noise, but trying to see how they fit together.

 

[Mach5]

It is a thing being replaced by a completely different thing.

How ironic is it that the Discovery itself looks more like the original D7 than the actual D7?

 

[Longinus]

How ironic is it that the Discovery itself looks more like the original D7 than the actual D7?

You're right, it does. This is bloody absurd.

 

[Gonzo]

I don't think there was any switch. Birds of Prey are smallish, often cloak capable ships, Warbirds are what Romulans call their cruisers and other big ships.

If my memory is correct we only ever saw a Romulan Bird of Prey once in early TOS, after this it was Romulan D7 pretty much all the way until we are introduced to the D'Deridex Warbird in TNG.

It could be said that the D7 was considered a Warbird by both the Romulans and the Klingons but to my knowledge it was never introduced as such.

I could be mistaken about the TOS part as I never watched some of the episodes as it was before my time but I did see the details in the FF.

 

[Gonzo]

How ironic is it that the Discovery itself looks more like the original D7 than the actual D7?

Oh well they screwed up the D7, they wouldn't dare to do that with the Bird of Prey right...

Oh dear.

 

[Tuskin38]

Oh well they screwed up the D7, they wouldn't dare to do that with the Bird of Prey right...

Oh dear.

They already did lol

 

[Noname Given]

• Spore drive appears to be successful. Even the ethical problems have been solved. But that just can't be since there's nothing like it that is ever used again in Star Trek;

Well we know the technology works within certain perimeters. It appears there may be a huge (probably very detrimental) cost to the person being used for 'Navigation' in the chamber - OR something else very detrimental to a ship and crew (or hell the fabric of spacetime itself) will be discovered ; so like the ban on Eugenic research that's lasted since 1996; Starfleet and the Federation Council will ban (and destroy all records of) Spore Drive technology.

 

[Gonzo]

They already did lol

That's what I was subtly pointing towards.

I must have been a bit too subtle.

 

[Roald]

Guess all Klingon ships got a radical make over 10 years later... a Porsche 911 turbo from the '70's looks nothing like one from today.. designs change while the names stay the same.. it happens

 

[Kor]

As a paid CBS plant among you "real" Trekkies, it is my duty to give you the link. Spend, spend, spend!

(How the hell have they managed to TM "Disco"??)

I think the trademark refers, not just to the word itself, but the word as presented in that exact text font/style.

And it isn't a registered trademark.

If my memory is correct we only ever saw a Romulan Bird of Prey once in early TOS, after this it was Romulan D7 pretty much all the way until we are introduced to the D'Deridex Warbird in TNG.

It could be said that the D7 was considered a Warbird by both the Romulans and the Klingons but to my knowledge it was never introduced as such.

I could be mistaken about the TOS part as I never watched some of the episodes as it was before my time but I did see the details in the FF.

The Romulan BoP was seen in "Balance of Terror" and then in "The Deadly Years."
In the "remastered" version of "The Enterprise Incident," one of the ships was a BoP instead of a battle cruiser.

Kor

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Guess all Klingon ships got a radical make over 10 years later... a Porsche 911 turbo from the '70's looks nothing like one from today.. designs change while the names stay the same.. it happens

Or they look just like this 10 years later.