The Nitpickers thread - where complaints go to Gre'thor

[Prax]

And in ENT "Unexpected", they run to a D7. Not to the benefit of the story, but to its detriment.

Here in DSC they could have run into a previously unseen ship, or into a D7. The drama would not have been affected either way - but getting new material would probably have been well received. Instead, they gave us a previous unseen D7, which was sort of the worst of both worlds.

Timo Saloniemi

Such a great episode! Great story, a totally alien environment "Cap'n there's grass growing on the floors!" And just hilarious.

T'Pol says "3 days. You had 3 days!" and Trip looks at Archer "Captain, I was a complete gentleman," then T'Pol "well that depends on how you define 'gentleman'" And she says "So this female engineer showed you her world? Was she next going to introduce you to her holographic parents?"

I recommend everyone take a short break from Discovery, and go watch this episode.

 

[Hey Missy]

What's humor? I only know Edge Trek.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

They built it for TOS, drew it for TAS, built a new one for The Motion Picture, larger, more detailed(almost like adding bumps to the foreheads). This was modified and used again in TUC, then modified for TNG, then DS9. Then a new one was rendered in CG for DS9, then another new one was created in CG for the last season of Voyager. It's the same ship all these times. "Because it was cheaper" explains some of that, but everytime the model was brought out, it was repainted, with small details added. And that doesn't explain why they created a CG version, but I can! It's because the story called for a Klingon D7. That's why it's the same ship across five series and numerous movies.

Because it was cheaper man. Modifying the design was easy and cheap, buying the models of the design was cheap. Making a model of an already heavily detailed design, cheap. Ask anyone who does 3d modeling, they could work up something like the d7 with scans and models to work with, far, far faster than making something new and getting it finished. Heck they likely had the files anyhow from a side project.

 

[Gepard]

I thought the showrunners already talked about this. They are trying to make the ships look more like ships in space would actually look.

I haven't been following what the showrunners say, but my question is rhetorical anyway. I don't like how dark the shots are, and am complaining.

(I'm also perplexed by the decision to light every ship with what looks like an amber floodlight floating a few hundred feet away from the hull. That's not in any way how ships in deep space would "actually" look.)

 

[Kor]

I haven't been following what the showrunners say, but my question is rhetorical anyway. I don't like how dark the shots are, and am complaining.

(I'm also perplexed by the decision to light every ship with what looks like an amber floodlight floating a few hundred feet away from the hull. That's not in any way how ships in deep space would "actually" look.)

Ships in deep space would "actually" look almost completely black except for any windows and other exterior light sources. The approach used in STD is a compromise between true realism and the way overly-lit look that we are used to seeing in most sci-fi.

Kor

 

[Gepard]

Again, I know all that stuff. I've seen the Probert illustration of the realistic self-illuminated refit. I'm in this thread because I think what DSC is doing looks bad.

 

[Hey Missy]

The ship shots also look blurry and way over-contrasted.

 

[Prax]

There's a Voyager episode called "Night" where they are traveling 2 years in the void, and the effects people used a dark filter on the ship. It looks really cool, dark, and abysmal. That's what space should look like- thick permeable blackness, and Loneliness. Very few movies go with this style, but a good example (ahem, maybe not a good example ) is "After Earth." I know what you're thinking! I'm just talking about the space scenes.

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

Klingons always got a flimsy eye-opener laying around just in case someone with an eye disease comes along so that they can shine some light into their eyes?

 

[Prax]

Klingons always got a flimsy eye-opener laying around just in case someone with an eye disease comes along so that they can shine some light into their eyes?

There are soooo many cooler things to complain about than Klingon torture devices. Aim higher, and you shall be rewarded.

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

There are soooo many cooler things to complain about than Klingon torture devices. Aim higher, and you shall be rewarded.

"State the purpose of the new protocol"??..

 

[Prax]

Oh, I don't think I know that one.

 

[Sir Stewart Wallace]

Klingons always got a flimsy eye-opener laying around just in case someone with an eye disease comes along so that they can shine some light into their eyes?

They have to keep them around for forced viewings of "Threshold". Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

Oh, I don't think I know that one.

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

Oh, I don't think I know that one.

when Saru as active captain tells the computer to pull up some data, the computer demands a reason first... Thats a cool nitpick.. Also i can say that its annoying not to be able to edit my posts when some things go wrong when posting.

 

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[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

^
o.O wow! :-D

 

[Charles Phipps]

[Reposted from another thread]

The short version is that it's a higher budget work and they don't want to stick to the "canon" of appearances because it's ridiculous to do so when the original Enterprise doors opened with a rope. But in the old days Trekkies used to speculate on these discrepancies and have FUN reconciling them rather than just get mad about them like:

Obviously, it's doing the writer's job for them but that's ALWAYS been the case. It's a game.

Holographic coms and not viewscreen

The more utilitarian Starfleet comes as a result of the ships needing to be easier to repair and less fragile after a horrifying war with the Klingons. As a result, they go to switches and piping which makes the ships much much easier to work as well as less bells and whistles but sturdier by far.

Warp capable shuttlecraft

Starfleet stopped making them because they realized it was an unnecessary luxury and encouraged people to take longer trips when they should stick closer to larger and better protected vessels.

Enterprise Delta on discovery

A hypothetical ship design which was eventually picked up by actual fans of the ship....or it's just an Easter egg.

Entire redesign of klingon ships (the Kingons them self I can just about live with)

The D7 is actually a depiction of its type rather than its model. D-1 for example could mean "Starfighter", D-4 could mean Frigate, and D7 could mean Dreadnought.



To me, it seems like there is absolutely no reason to set it in the time they have, especially if they wanted to play around with new tech (spore drive anyone).

Alternatively, this is the future of ENTERPRISE which is slightly different from The Original Series due to the events of First Contact and The Temporal Cold War. In this reality, the Earth lost 7 million people to the Xindi Attack and thus pressed its starship program much-much further and faster than in Kirk's time.

Why the Klingon redesign?

The Augment virus which created the ridgeless Klingons eventually mutated and created the "Ridged Klingons" who are to Klingons what neanderthals are stereotypically depicted as to us. Indeed, it may actually be deliberate as the Klingon's geneticists overdid the result to make them as less humanlike as possible.

The Blood Purity and ISIL elements of the new Klingons may be due to the fact they feel they've been "contaminated" by human blood.

Alternatively, not all Klingons are like and we're just seeing sub-equatorial Klingons.

 

[Timo]

Umm, what's this with warp-capable shuttlecraft? Warp-incapable ones were only ever specified for ENT, in the 2150s. TOS never claimed its shuttles would have been incapable of warp.

OTOH, TNG never claimed its shuttles would have been capable of warp, and it took until VOY to see those shuttle types actually exhibit the starstreak effect. But TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY all had small craft fly from star to star with relative ease.

Or at least from star to ship, or from ship to star, with the ship part of the journey remaining unseen; we could then theoretically claim that TOS and even TNG shuttles were indeed warp-incapable. But why should we? There's no plot that would have required those shuttles to go "more" to warp than they did.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Prax]

Umm, what's this with warp-capable shuttlecraft? Warp-incapable ones were only ever specified for ENT, in the 2150s. TOS never claimed its shuttles would have been incapable of warp.

OTOH, TNG never claimed its shuttles would have been capable of warp, and it took until VOY to see those shuttle types actually exhibit the starstreak effect. But TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY all had small craft fly from star to star with relative ease.

Or at least from star to ship, or from ship to star, with the ship part of the journey remaining unseen; we could then theoretically claim that TOS and even TNG shuttles were indeed warp-incapable. But why should we? There's no plot that would have required those shuttles to go "more" to warp than they did.

Timo Saloniemi

How long does it take to travel to the nearest star at full impulse? And, was the runabout ever referred to as a "warp shuttle"?

[Reposted from another thread]

The short version is that it's a higher budget work and they don't want to stick to the "canon" of appearances because it's ridiculous to do so when the original Enterprise doors opened with a rope. But in the old days Trekkies used to speculate on these discrepancies and have FUN reconciling them rather than just get mad about them like:

Obviously, it's doing the writer's job for them but that's ALWAYS been the case. It's a game.

Holographic coms and not viewscreen

The more utilitarian Starfleet comes as a result of the ships needing to be easier to repair and less fragile after a horrifying war with the Klingons. As a result, they go to switches and piping which makes the ships much much easier to work as well as less bells and whistles but sturdier by far.

Warp capable shuttlecraft

Starfleet stopped making them because they realized it was an unnecessary luxury and encouraged people to take longer trips when they should stick closer to larger and better protected vessels.

Enterprise Delta on discovery

A hypothetical ship design which was eventually picked up by actual fans of the ship....or it's just an Easter egg.

Entire redesign of klingon ships (the Kingons them self I can just about live with)

The D7 is actually a depiction of its type rather than its model. D-1 for example could mean "Starfighter", D-4 could mean Frigate, and D7 could mean Dreadnought.



To me, it seems like there is absolutely no reason to set it in the time they have, especially if they wanted to play around with new tech (spore drive anyone).

Alternatively, this is the future of ENTERPRISE which is slightly different from The Original Series due to the events of First Contact and The Temporal Cold War. In this reality, the Earth lost 7 million people to the Xindi Attack and thus pressed its starship program much-much further and faster than in Kirk's time.

Why the Klingon redesign?

The Augment virus which created the ridgeless Klingons eventually mutated and created the "Ridged Klingons" who are to Klingons what neanderthals are stereotypically depicted as to us. Indeed, it may actually be deliberate as the Klingon's geneticists overdid the result to make them as less humanlike as possible.

The Blood Purity and ISIL elements of the new Klingons may be due to the fact they feel they've been "contaminated" by human blood.

Alternatively, not all Klingons are like and we're just seeing sub-equatorial Klingons.

So, doors were opened using a rope on TOS, but also TNG, DS9, Vger, Ent, and I'd bet my bottom dollar they are still opened that way on Discovery.

Unless some genius out there has finally invented sentient, automated doors.