The Nitpickers thread - where complaints go to Gre'thor
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I wasn't the first to say they looked like Death Gliders as its been mentioned multiple times already.
Yeah, I was trying to think what they reminded me of, and that's it. they were in Battle of Binary Stars as well.
I actually thought they looked more gold/beige than green in Discovery... but having just rewatched it on the PC, seems it's dependent on lighting in different shots. The green really didn't stand out for me at times.
It's weird, but if there was one alien ship in Star Trek that would have looked great without a massive redesign, it is the Klingon Bird of Prey. However, I suppose these are earlier models than TOS era films.
They look a little bit like Cylon Raiders from the original Battlestar Galactica as well.
If this is prime timeline then the Birds of Prey we have seen on the first four episodes are the new design of the ships we saw in the original movies, Klingon ships don't really change at all during this time period so it looks like that's the design we are stuck with.
Shame really, as I mentioned in another post the battle we saw between Starfleet and the Klingons during the first two episodes would have been so much more memorable if the Klingon ships had been as recognisable as Starfleets were.
As this show is set 10 years before TOS we could see a more recognisable version introduced before the end of the series but I really doubt it.
Another missed opportunity to increase hype and leverage what we have seen before.
That would been nice. Even if the Klingons themselves looked different in the films, their ships were never changed b4.
It was cheaper to keep them. It was silly, but oh so much cheaper. Just the reason you get 80+ year old ships in the dominion war. It made no sense, but gods it was budget friendly
Mind you, there's no reason to replace hulks versus machinery inside them.
As I've posted in other threads, and some have already mentioned, the D7 exterior, raiders and Latif as another Brit forced to do an American accent are my biggest nitpicks this week.
I agree, both Isaacs and Tyler seem like they're unnecessarily changing their accents for a show which by nature doesn't require them to be anything other than Brits.
Some more "Pain" nitpicks.
* Mudd is kind of underused and could have been a generic prison snitch given all his role ended up being.
* I like Lorca having a dark secret but it turns out to be one which is utterly insane. I mean, literally, it's up there with Garth of Izzar.
* The big bulky getups for Klingons have never looked less necessary than when we see regular humans against them.
Also contemplating sex in them.
* Speaking of which, the edgelordness of this Trek was a bit much with the unnecessary fuck and having our protagonist allude to being raped.
Mind you, it probably helped sell his identity if he is Voq.
* Saru has no high horse to stand on if he's torturing an innocent lifeform and then calling out Lorca as well as Burnham.
Some more "Pain" nitpicks.
* Mudd is kind of underused and could have been a generic prison snitch given all his role ended up being.
* I like Lorca having a dark secret but it turns out to be one which is utterly insane. I mean, literally, it's up there with Garth of Izzar.
* The big bulky getups for Klingons have never looked less necessary than when we see regular humans against them.
Also contemplating sex in them.
* Speaking of which, the edgelordness of this Trek was a bit much with the unnecessary fuck and having our protagonist allude to being raped.
Mind you, it probably helped sell his identity if he is Voq.
* Saru has no high horse to stand on if he's torturing an innocent lifeform and then calling out Lorca as well as Burnham.
You can only upgrade so much. We all know the reason they use the same models was budget.
Very true, though I've had many a lecture from my Navy friends that they will use something until they can sell it or it breaks down, decades later or not.
Yes, but not as a front line unit if is outclasses. There is a point where its simply cheaper to build a new ship than keep upgrading. The Klingons have a culture, where I could see them being pushed to secondary duty
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Gonzo
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The whole design ethos behind the Klingon ships was birds in flight, the D7's and especially the Birds of Prey really sold that well.
Not really sure what the new Klingon ship ethos is really, all I get from them is a "lets just completely change them for no reason whatsoever" ethos, when a visual update like they did with the Starfleet ships would have been enough and would have looked great.
Not really sure what the new Klingon ship ethos is really, all I get from them is a "lets just completely change them for no reason whatsoever" ethos, when a visual update like they did with the Starfleet ships would have been enough and would have looked great.
They built it for TOS, drew it for TAS, built a new one for The Motion Picture, larger, more detailed(almost like adding bumps to the foreheads). This was modified and used again in TUC, then modified for TNG, then DS9. Then a new one was rendered in CG for DS9, then another new one was created in CG for the last season of Voyager. It's the same ship all these times. "Because it was cheaper" explains some of that, but everytime the model was brought out, it was repainted, with small details added. And that doesn't explain why they created a CG version, but I can! It's because the story called for a Klingon D7. That's why it's the same ship across five series and numerous movies.
In TNG's "The Emissary" they're looking for a Klingon sleeper ship from the 23rd century, a D7.
In Voyager's "Prophecy" they run across a generational ship that set out 100 years earlier, in the 23rd century, a D7.
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And in ENT "Unexpected", they run to a D7. Not to the benefit of the story, but to its detriment.
Here in DSC they could have run into a previously unseen ship, or into a D7. The drama would not have been affected either way - but getting new material would probably have been well received. Instead, they gave us a previous unseen D7, which was sort of the worst of both worlds.
Timo Saloniemi
Here in DSC they could have run into a previously unseen ship, or into a D7. The drama would not have been affected either way - but getting new material would probably have been well received. Instead, they gave us a previous unseen D7, which was sort of the worst of both worlds.
Timo Saloniemi
I agree. I'd have been OK with a major redesign of the D7 IF it had at least been recognisable as one. This wasn't.
Why are all the space shots so dark?
Why are there never any good beauty shots of the Klingon ships?
Why does the CGI look so cheap if the series is supposedly so expensive? (I mean, I know the answer to that one; they changed VFX vendors at the last minute. It still annoys me.)
Why are there never any good beauty shots of the Klingon ships?
Why does the CGI look so cheap if the series is supposedly so expensive? (I mean, I know the answer to that one; they changed VFX vendors at the last minute. It still annoys me.)
1: Space IS dark, unless you'reclose to a star. See "night sky" for reference
2: I cant say, but generally the less you show of a thing, the more menacing it seems to be.
3: I actually like the painted look of the a lot of the space shots. I may be in the minority on that.
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Gonzo
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That would have been great if they hadn't been so badly messed up, some of the panning shots we have seen of the Discovery but instead it would show a visually updated Klingon D7.
Would have gone down very well indeed.
A brand new miniature of the TOS Klingon cruiser was built by Gregory Jein for DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations," with a little more surface detail, but not all the movie-era bumps.
I thought the showrunners already talked about this. They are trying to make the ships look more like ships in space would actually look.
Because they're hideous.
I dunno, I really enjoy the look. It's flashy and ever-so-slightly stylized.
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