Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"
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That literally made me LOL for quite some time.I could be wrong (and probably am), but IIRC I read that Jason Isaacs was the one that decided Lorca was from the American south after reading up on the character, and decided to portray the character with a southern accent. Makes sense... military genious... weapon collector...
IMO - I think they're pretty much OVERLY telegraphing:
That Ash Tyler is Voq modified either modified surgically outright, or via the Klingon Augment virus. I mean:
- The Klingon Captain mentions "House Moki"
- Ash is taking all thee beatings (and volunteering). Why? They don't want the FGed prsoners to die before they can get him inserted on to Discovery.
- Ask also mentions the female Klingon Captain has 'taken a liking to hbim'... yeah, more like the Doctors are continuiing the modification treatments or making sure they are taking and he'll pass for a Human.
- The Klingon Captain mentions "House Moki"
- Ash is taking all thee beatings (and volunteering). Why? They don't want the FGed prsoners to die before they can get him inserted on to Discovery.
- Ask also mentions the female Klingon Captain has 'taken a liking to hbim'... yeah, more like the Doctors are continuiing the modification treatments or making sure they are taking and he'll pass for a Human.
I didn't care for the "f*cking cool" sequence (and I'm all for profanity in stories when it's natural - like Burnham's "Oh shit! That worked!" back in episode 3. Here it just seemed like the writer was told "Hey they can cuss; put a F-Bomb somewhere..." IMO - totally gratuitous and added nothing to the scene or the story.
LOVED Rainn Wilson as the younger "Harry Mudd". He's still in love with Stella (and 10 years CAN do a lot to change that...
); and I can definitely see him becoming the Roger C. Carmel version later in life - and his disdain for the Federation makes sense.And they've said he was in 3 episodes, so Mudd will return 
Also disappointed with what the Shuttle Computer called a "Klingon D-7"). You know, again, I don't mind the full internal redesign for ship classes we never saw; or the external designs of ships we never saw; but the "Klingon D-7" IS an iconic/classic design; and I can't see a reason (If the Producers are as 'into' TOS canon as they claim) to twist it for a name drop here. If you're going to have a ship 'Easter Egg' and 'name drop' - stick with the original design. They could have called it anything else (D-5, D-6, D-'X' Mk II' ) - but no, they chose to call it a D-7 and have the VFX crew introduce a very different design for such a ship. It's not a deal-breaker for me per say, but it WAS disappointing.
Quite a good episode overall (7).
Nice pacing, Mudd played a smaller part than I thought but sets up his next appearance nicely as a man out for revenge. Lorca's back story is interesting but I will need more information because how the hell did he survive while his crew all died. I really hope the new guy is Voq as a Klingon/Human Augment as it would begin to connect the show more to TOS. I'm glad the crew started to talk about the life of the creature they were using for the spore drive though I still quite annoyed that the drive is usable as it smashes canon to bits. I still heavily dislike the look of the Klingon's and their ships and I really don't know why they went with such a heavily disconnected design from the rest of Trek.
I'm still disappointed with the lack of detail & lack of character development about Michael's past, I was hoping to see more of her history at this point.
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Nice pacing, Mudd played a smaller part than I thought but sets up his next appearance nicely as a man out for revenge. Lorca's back story is interesting but I will need more information because how the hell did he survive while his crew all died. I really hope the new guy is Voq as a Klingon/Human Augment as it would begin to connect the show more to TOS. I'm glad the crew started to talk about the life of the creature they were using for the spore drive though I still quite annoyed that the drive is usable as it smashes canon to bits. I still heavily dislike the look of the Klingon's and their ships and I really don't know why they went with such a heavily disconnected design from the rest of Trek.
I'm still disappointed with the lack of detail & lack of character development about Michael's past, I was hoping to see more of her history at this point.
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Just watched the episode. Count me among those who found the profanity unnecessary, jarring, and gratuitous. But I enjoyed the hell out of it otherwise, and I was glad for the spore drive expository dialog. I now feel like I understand how both the spore drive AND Super Mario Brothers work. Groovy.
I think the reverse. As someone else pointed out, we haven't been introduced to a relationship between Stamets and the medical officer yet, and while it is, of course, possible that it began off-screen, I think the Stamets we saw in the mirror by himself, looking giddy and lost in thought about what he had just experienced, at the end was "our" Stamets, and the couple in conversation were actually whom was in a parallel universe. Maybe the Mirror (or a mirror) Universe, or maybe not.
6 or 7, depending on my mood.
Finally have someone doing something decent because it is the right thing to do. Which makes it feel more Trek-like. Stamets is growing on me, already like Lorca, the rest really do nothing for me.
It seems like every time it starts to get interesting, they switch gears back to the Klingons or Burnham. Which I could honestly do without.
There's no way that was a D-7.
Finally have someone doing something decent because it is the right thing to do. Which makes it feel more Trek-like. Stamets is growing on me, already like Lorca, the rest really do nothing for me.
It seems like every time it starts to get interesting, they switch gears back to the Klingons or Burnham. Which I could honestly do without.
There's no way that was a D-7.
Just watched the episode. Count me among those who found the profanity unnecessary, jarring, and gratuitous. But I enjoyed the hell out of it otherwise, and I was glad for the spore drive expository dialog. I now feel like I understand how both the spore drive AND Super Mario Brothers work. Groovy.
I think the reverse. As someone else pointed out, we haven't been introduced to a relationship between Stamets and the medical officer yet, and while it is, of course, possible that it began off-screen, I think the Stamets we saw in the mirror by himself, looking giddy and lost in thought about what he had just experienced, at the end was "our" Stamets, and the couple in conversation were actually whom was in a parallel universe. Maybe the Mirror (or a mirror) Universe, or maybe not.
You just Kurt Cobained my mind.
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The Klingon Captain of the prison ship is L'Rell. Let that sink in for a moment. Remember where she was and with whom a mere 4 weeks ago in show time. Think about what Tyler tells Lorca - that he survived 7 months in captivity because L'Rell took a shine to him. But we know she was stuck at the BotB ship graveyard for six of those months. It doesn't add up.
The Klingon Captain of the prison ship is L'Rell. Let that sink in for a moment. Remember where she was and with whom a mere 4 weeks ago in show time. Think about what Tyler tells Lorca - that he survived 7 months in captivity because L'Rell took a shine to him. But we know she was stuck at the BotB ship graveyard for six of those months. It doesn't add up.
This episode avoided many of the pacing problems that have plagued the previous episodes. There is still the issue of the main character being a dud's idea of a dud, but...people tell me I'm crazy for not thinking Burnham is a brilliant character, so maybe there's something wrong with me instead of the universe. I wish the series hadn't dropped us in situ with these characters, because I'm not emotionally invested in any of them after all.
I'd describe this episode as "so fucking cool."
Seriously, another really strong episode. Resolved the tardigrade issue beautifully. Great Lorca action scene. Stamets was humane, brave, selfless -- definition of a Starfleet officer and now one of my favorite Trek characters ever. This episode had it all.
Seriously, another really strong episode. Resolved the tardigrade issue beautifully. Great Lorca action scene. Stamets was humane, brave, selfless -- definition of a Starfleet officer and now one of my favorite Trek characters ever. This episode had it all.
Saru specifically mentions the shuttle was lost when they start searching for Lorca.
In a lot of ways, Burnham felt totally irrelevant to this episode. With everything that happened on Discovery involving the tartigrade she had the help of 2-3 other people (Tilly, Stamets, and the doctor). The plot could have run basically the same without her being involved. The only two exceptions were the odd dream sequence at the start of the episode (which was most notable in that it showed that SMG can do more than stare blankly in terms of her acting range) and the arc involving conflict and reconciliation with Saru.
Her completely unearned reconciliation with Saru. So she was right about the tardigrade. So the hell what? She still got his captain killed. Apparently Kelpians cannot hold grudges.
I'm actually going to defend the swearing in the episode. It showed Tilly being excited and speaking emotionally, and immediately realising it as a mistake, unbecoming of her in the circumstances. I saw the fact that Stamets repeated it as his way of letting her off because he recognised the reason.
Yeah, it seemed just normal for the pace of the conversation, it wasn't there to be gratuitous and didn't take away from the scene.
I mean I doubt people will stop having harsh curse words in the future.
It bothers me that Burnham really hasn't been wrong yet.
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