Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

[eschaton]

DS9's action quota was way below DIS. But don't be fooled: The war was what kept DS9 alive. It was always there, lurking in the background, and everyone everytime having to deal with it's consequences. Even Vic Fontaine was mostly there for "contrast" his lush style with the grim "reality" of this series. Don't get me wrong, it worked great. But in retrospect, "war "clearly was at centerstage through all the watchable episodes of DS9, and many many of the filler plot-of-the-weeks.

How was war involved with the suburb dramas like The Visitor, Far Beyond The Stars, or Hard Time? Or lighthearted comedy episodes like Little Green Men, Trials & Tribble-ations, or Our Man Bashir? Hell, the early episodes dealing with the Bajoran occupation, like Duet and Necessary Evil, weren't really war episodes per se.

I don't think the Dominion War episodes actually have a history of hitting their target much more frequently than the non-Dominion War ones. There were maybe a half dozen which were superb (mostly standalones or two-parters) and a lot of good to okay ones.

 

[rhllot]

I'm a little bit worried about what kind of plots they want to tell in the second season. So far, EVERY plot-of-the-week was heavily motivated by the war with the klingons: -save Lorca from the klingons, -save the dilithium mine from the klingons, -save the Glenn's spore drive from the klingons, and -meet and greet with the klingons in the pilot.

What are they going to do once the war with the klingons is over? I fear the writer's not coming up with good motivations for stories once there isn't an obvious enemy that needs to be defeated every week anymore. We'll see. Hope they don't introduce just another space war agains different evil aliens then...

the war against the dominion hard many seasons and when it finishes it is finished DS9

 

[Romulan_spy]

"Does Stamets eventually become The Traveller?" Obviously the spore drive peters out, but The Traveller IS able to throw the Enterprise past the known universe. And I don't see Stamets giving up on his propulsion work that easily...

That would be quite intriguing and would actually make sense.

 

[Nyotarules]

Heh...Harry actually wanted to be with Stella once. Imagine that...

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And he had to pay (with some kind of monetary system) to get her. So its canon money exists in TOS lol

 

[Long Syntax]

What would you have done to change it? Was it any more stupid than magic crystals powering a ship?

I welcome new ideas and concepts, it's the only way Star Trek will survive today.

There's an old saying - don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Of course just rehashing previous episodes or plots won't gain or hold an audience, especially with competition from everywhere competing for the viewer's attention. However the spore drive seems to me to be a poor choice to build a large part of the new series around. In the vast universe that is Star Trek, surely there are stories that don't rely on an unheard of spore drive to tether the plot to. Using such a plot device is odd for a story set in between two known periods. I know that sounds like a really Star Treky and wonky argument, but that's the course the writers chose. The writers need to choose better from within the vast Star Trek universe (IMHO of course).

 

[slappy]

Nah, Tilly is the best character on the show. Without a doubt.

I like her alot too.

 

[Apparition B5]

I'm waiting to watch this episode until I'm home alone (whenever that is). My elderly father would go nuclear if he were to hear the f-bomb in his household. So, anyway... how bloody/gory/graphically violent is the episode?

 

[Mr Awe]

Hope they don't introduce just another space war agains different evil aliens then...

I doubt it. One of the producers (forget which one, maybe Harberts) said they didn't want to continue to have such a dark series. One season war with Klingons and then it should be a less dark atmosphere. That probably rules out a war.

 

[David James]

I'm waiting to watch this episode until I'm home alone (whenever that is). My elderly father would go nuclear if he were to hear the f-bomb in his household. So, anyway... how bloody/gory/graphically violent is the episode?

Not very. Less than what you'd see on cable tv.

 

[Timo]

Very. There's prison action where the guards beat people to pulp, and not only do we hear the crunches, we see blood splatter. There's graphic stabbing with entry wounds. There's raygun action that sprays stuff and leaves a face burning.

Be aware.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Vger23]

Yes that's my main goal in life - to do well on an online trekkie group. So why post here? The miniscule chance someone from the show reads this and decides to look back on all the terrible star trek episodes out there and try to learn what not to do. Am I delusional? Yes. At least I realize it tho.

Awesome...this is my kind of guy right here.

I love nobody more than the "I'll post my angry posts because I believe the powers that be might just read them and make things more to my liking" guy.

 

[Vger23]

There's an old saying - don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Of course just rehashing previous episodes or plots won't gain or hold an audience, especially with competition from everywhere competing for the viewer's attention. However the spore drive seems to me to be a poor choice to build a large part of the new series around. In the vast universe that is Star Trek, surely there are stories that don't rely on an unheard of spore drive to tether the plot to. Using such a plot device is odd for a story set in between two known periods. I know that sounds like a really Star Treky and wonky argument, but that's the course the writers chose. The writers need to choose better from within the vast Star Trek universe (IMHO of course).

I for one find one of the greatest appeals of this series to be that they're not relying on the same old tech, same old character relationships, etc to establish their story.

Phasers
Transporters
Warp Drive
Subspace Comms

Fuck...it's about time they came up with SOMETHING different that required some imagination and creativity besides leaning on stuff from "the vast Star Trek universe."

Sorry it's not to your liking. But I'm thrilled they at least tried something different!

 

[Long Syntax]

I for one find one of the greatest appeals of this series to be that they're not relying on the same old tech, same old character relationships, etc to establish their story.

Phasers
Transporters
Warp Drive
Subspace Comms

Fuck...it's about time they came up with SOMETHING different that required some imagination and creativity besides leaning on stuff from "the vast Star Trek universe."

Sorry it's not to your liking. But I'm thrilled they at least tried something different!

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's not to my liking - at least not all of the show. Really it's mostly the spore drive and the breathalyzer that I have trouble getting my head aligned with. I'm all for updating the special effects to leverage what is possible today. I'm also glad Star Trek didn't try to fit into the look and feel of 60's Trek. However, as I mentioned before, this time period is of the show-runners and writers choice. Unfortunately it somewhat locks you into some things. If you chose to write within that time period and go too far outside what is known then don't be surprised when people notice.

 

[Vger23]

Oh I get that, it just didn’t flow well imo, a quick scene with him boarding the shuttle maybe or a quick conversation with the shuttle pilot maybe...

Maybe they should go back and edit it?

Show Lorca walking down the corridor saying "Alert my starship to prepare for my arrival" or something like that?

 

[rhllot]

Maybe Voq/Tyler is truly pissed at her because they made him human. Or it could have just been an act. As previously mentioned, his pummeling her was probably the same as foreplay. A goodbye quickie.

I'm not necessarily convinced Tyler is Voq but I definitely think he's a Klingon spy. He might even be the real Tyler whose mind was wiped and reprogrammed with the mind sifter.

I would be very happy if ash is a klingon that looks like a human, like this guy

 

[Tesophius]

I'm waiting to watch this episode until I'm home alone (whenever that is). My elderly father would go nuclear if he were to hear the f-bomb in his household. So, anyway... how bloody/gory/graphically violent is the episode?

It's outrageous.

 

[omnirad]

Five episodes in, I can say that this truly Star Trek. The characters are warming up, the ethical debates are classic, and the Easter Eggs are cool. The intensity factor may be beyond what some purists can stomach, but it is what is required to exist in today's entertainment market. If Star Trek ain't growing, then it's dead.

 

[Apparition B5]

Very. There's prison action where the guards beat people to pulp, and not only do we hear the crunches, we see blood splatter. There's graphic stabbing with entry wounds. There's raygun action that sprays stuff and leaves a face burning.

Be aware.

Timo Saloniemi

It's outrageous.

Well, that's... disappointing. Thanks.

 

[MarsWeeps]

New theory....since it's obvious to many that Tyler is set up to be a spy, maybe that's exactly what they want us to think. Since we're so focused on that, we don't even realize that Lorca is the one who was reprogrammed with the mind sifter!

 

[Nerys Myk]

The fanwank was strong with this one. The list of captains bit made me want to vomit. Seems the only criteria for being a 'great' Captain is being on TV. And with the odd exception, commanding the Enterprise.

They could have dropped either Pike or April from the list and added someone else.

Ehhhhh, while I agree with you on both points, I'm not actually that down on it because ENTERPRISE avoided TOS references like the plague because Ron Moore said Braga HATED the original series and wanted nothing to do it with on his show.

Did you watch the show? They used the Axanar in the second episode and named dropped Deneva twice in the first season. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Worse is including a Captain (our dear recently departed Phillipa) who is hardly "great". She lead a two man away team with an officer who had just mutinied and started a war! Not what I'd call great!

We saw her in one mission. I'm sure it was't her first. IIRC the list was for highly decorated Captains

Tilly snores too much (and really has bad skin).

Pretty petty complaints. Are we really stooping to appearance based slams? I dodn't see anything wrong with her skin. Are going to complain about her hair next?

Stick some nacelles on those spoons and they could be starships.

I agree. It's a bit hard to follow. It's lacking direction. So there's this Klingon war and spores and.. yeah. I used to get a bit of a buzz when there would be a bridge scene from other Star Treks. Now the bridge is just a clinical blur. So is the whole purpose of the first season beating the Klingons?

No the war and spores are just background. What's hard to follow? It's been pretty straight forward.