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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

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SMD protrayal of Burnham is alright by me but Jason Isaacs acting was so good in this episode. Jason Isaacs could easily steal the show from SMD.

As for Ash Tyler, yah he could be Voq.

Saru's sentiment towards Burnham was expected. He just don't trust her.

Rainn Wilson as Harry Mudd made for an interesting comedic villian.

Nice to see Archer and Pike's name pop up.
I thought that after the first episode Lorca was introduced.

The whole Voq is Ash Tyler has been heavily sign posted but it could be misdirection.

The spy could be Tilly.

Still haven't seen the episode will watch tonight.
 
Back on the issue if Lorca killing his crew rather than let them be captured by the Klingons is partly a writing choice to say hour much disdain he has for Mudd... intentionally leaving him behind.

That act actually makes me like Lorca less. Not out of affection for Mudd, but because I see it as the wrong choice tactically. Mudd needs to be brought back to the Federation for a debriefing... he might have information Starfleet could use. It kind of detracts from the idea that he will do anything to win the war.
 
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From the poll results so far, "Choose your pain" is the highest rated Discovery episode yet, currently holding the score of 8.0.

Weird, when I finished it I thought to myself "TBBS is going to hate this one".
 
There ain't gonna' be much "discovering" going on in this season of "Discovery", ain't it?

I think we now got a clear look of what a "regular" episode of DIS will look like. A clear 3 act structure, a small plot of the week (last week: save the colony, this week: save the Captain), with a plot that's a bit lacking compared to previous Trek series, but much more room for character interactions, and set-ups and resolutions for the long-term arc.

That being said: I'm not very content with this series at this moment. It's overly dark, violent. And it seems, we only ever going to see Fedration officers or klingons in dark Federation or klingon hallways. No new planets. No strange alien species. Not even to make contact with to help in the war effort. All of this feels awfully secluded from a rich, diverse universe.

Nitpicks:
  • THIS was a D7? Are they fucking kidding us? The original klingon D7 design is such an iconic shape, it appears in ALL the Trek series, from TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY to even ENT. It's such a great design, it was used in a 60s television series, as well as in a 1979 big-budget movie (TMP) up until to a 2009 blockbuster (ST09). If you discount the classic saucer UFO, this is maybe the most well-known alien starship design there is in entertainment. And what did they do? Replace it with some generic organic delta shape. Yay. This could have easily been a wraith ship from Stargate, or literally any other science fiction show ever. There is nothing distinctive, less iconic, in everything regarding the new klingons. I guess the behind-the-scenes-drama was actually a lot bigger than what we even suspected...
  • Nice space station tho'!
  • Lorca really didn't have a plan with Burnham? Apart from letting her hang around his ship and see what happens? In the beginning, I thought he had a well-thought out evil scheme. But apparently, he's also only throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
  • This is the first episode not entirely centered around Burnham, but more of an ensemble play, in this series
  • Am I the only one that think the Intros come very late? Like, almost after 10 minutes? Instead of after a short opening teaser?
  • A vulcan Admiral! Cpt. April and Archer! Genetic experiments on humans are forbidden (because of Khaaaaan). All around many nice nods to the fans.
  • Nice to see a little bit of morality and ethic discussions about monsters back in Trek.
  • This is so fucking cool! Worked surprisingly well.
  • MUDD. He was great! Ham'ed up to eleven!!!
  • So Lorca off-ed his entire crew to spare them from torture? What an asshole.
  • Also, Lorca leaving Mudd to the klingons? After you know what they do to prisoners? Double asshole.
  • "Wanna' be right, or wanna' fix this?" I really like grumpy Stamets:rommie:
  • I think there is WAY too much violence in this series. Too much gore in the last two episodes. Now, we see a redshirt impaled in close-up. A prisoner tortured to death. A woman with half her face melting screaming for her life and no one helping her. This shit is way too dark, and I'm not talking about the illumination, although there's plenty of issues there, too
  • I repeat myself: The subspace-funghi-galaxy-network is at least as bad science as Spock's Brain or warp 10-salamanders. But we didn't need to endure those for an entire season
  • So. In the final moments of the episode. We have a Godzilla-sized tardigrade...GO TO WARP? On it's own? What? :lol:
Finally, regarding the "Ash Tyler is secretly Voq in disguise"-theory: I really hope it isn't true. First of all: Do we need ANOTHER explanation why the klingons in TOS looked different? Especially since we already have a perfectly working one, and this new klingons not looking like any other klingons anyway? There is also the other problem of having your only middle-eastern character be the traiter. The moooozleeem is not to be trusted. Welcome to Trump Trek!
 
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For sure. The AN-225 Mria
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Funny enough the plane is more famous for being so huge than the shuttle it was meant to carry

According to Wikipedia it's still the biggest airplane in the world.
 
Worse is including a Captain (our dear recently departed Phillipa) who is hardly "great". She lead a two man away team with an officer who had just mutinied and started a war! Not what I'd call great!
Presumably she had a full career before that point. We know that she was captain for at least 7 years with Burnham by her side but probably longer. We have no idea what she did in that time frame. Her career did NOT consist entirely of what we saw in those 2 episodes!
 
Indeed, the list is specifically for "decorated" starship captains, which probably isn't a good indication of how to cope with the exact situation at hand, but OTOH might well be the best Saru can do. These people got medals. They probably survived exceptional circumstances, then, and perhaps even triumphed there. What they did outside those times isn't all that relevant.

I'm thinking more about Lorca's shot at L'Rell again. Whilst it could just be because the writers have more to tell with her, but why "in universe" did he miss?

I'm sorta seeing Tyler pushing her out of the way. But that doesn't yet explain why Lorca would take a head shot when he hit all the expendable Klingons sensibly in the middle.

...I suspect he was not included in that list for that reason.

Or then Garth is not his surname, so he doesn't actually precede Georgiou in the alphabetical list. :devil:

Timo Saloniemi
 
The infinite improbability drive made the universe extremely small for me. As for Harry Mudd, no reason for him to be on a Klingon ship as a prisoner. Writers are trying to tie into STOS timeline. Too bad they blew it with the Zoom-Shroom Drive, kinda wreaks all the other Starfleet ships and history for the next 100 years.
Why is there no reason for Mudd to be in Klingon space?
 
He actually went up a couple of points (in my estimation) for that move. Harry f'd him and Lt. Tyler over, in fact Harry would have been happy to have either of them killed.

Bravo Lorca!
Right. Most people seem to think that him being evil is cool. So this show will work for them.
 
Also (damn I really need to get back to work, but ... Star Trek!), I wonder if the whole capture of Lorca wasn't a way to just test him. The Klingons throw him in with an unlikable civilian and a likable but damaged and perhaps overly eager junior officer, plus the other guy who's offed early in the episode.

Might not the Ks want to know how their nemesis (no pun intended) captain does under such circumstances? How quickly does he escape, and how? Who does he take with him? How big a trail of bodies does he leave in his wake?

And if it's not a test then at the very least they should try to learn from it.
 
Right. Most people seem to think that him being evil is cool. So this show will work for them.
In what way was leaving a Klingon Quisling behind in the midst of a firefight evil? Or was it destroying his ship so his crew would not be slowly tortured, raped, and eaten? (all of which Klingons are known/likely to do to with prisoners)
 
Also in the clip from next episode they showed Burnham and Tilly wearing "Disco" T-shirts. I am sure there will be some merchandising of that in the future.
Y'know, it's almost like the producers of this show KNEW the fans would be discussing and debating how we should be referring to Discovery online (which we have, lots, BTW). Is it "DSC"? Is it "STD"? Is it "DISC"?

NO! Shut up you fan fucks! It's "DISCO"!

Message received. :)
 
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Saru is just so ugly that I find it hard to watch him when he’s on screen. The neck tentacles make me squeamish.

I have this reaction also! His fear boner viscerally disgusts me, and I don't really understand why -- but I also think it might be a good thing. Keeping the aliens a little gross is not necessarily a bad thing.

I tried watching After Trek but couldn't tolerate that obnoxious host.

Oh God, I also had my first attempt with After Trek. I made it maybe one minute into that host's prattle, he's terrible.

Voyager pretty much became the Seven of Nine show after she was introduced

Voyager also had more dead-weight dud characters than any other Trek, so there was a lot of oxygen available to be gobbled up.
 
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