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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

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Well, we've learned in this episode that Captain Lorca has been able to refuse medical treatment for quite a while, so it is possible that he will get away with it for a good amount of time if indeed he is a Klingon spy.

Whatever services the plot will be done with or without any kind of logic. It would be cool if he is a Klingon though, because you know what that means; smooth headed Klingons!

You know you want it. :guffaw:
 
Star Trek has a history of impossibly laughable escapes while desperately outnumbered and outmatched.

Why stop now?
Exactly!

While he didn't get his shirt torn while doing double-handed judo chops, it isn't like Trek Captains don't routinely beat up multiple bad guys.

If it had been Kirk and Spock the fight would have been even shorter since Spock would have done the neck pinch on at least one of them.
 
ENT was most certainly focused on three specific relationships:

1. Archer/T'Pol/Trip
2. Trip/T'Pol
3. Trip/Malcolm
 
I was a little annoyed that Lorca and Tyler managed to subdue the two Klingon guards. Aren't Klingons supposed to be super-strong or something? They broke their necks, somehow. I mean, that was not a well-planned escape plan. They might be well-versed in fighting techniques, but the Klingons like hand-to-hand combat as well, I believe.

Maybe it was all part of the plan to plant Tyler aboard Discovery.
 
Star Trek has a history of impossibly laughable escapes while desperately outnumbered and outmatched.

Why stop now?

Realism? Believability? There are reasons to suspect Tyler of being able to pull this off (not that Lorca would know this), but unless we learn that Lorca is a secret augment/cyborg/Galactic Krav Maga Champion of 2248, it's not something I was expecting of two presumably emaciated, tortured prisoners.

I mean, yeah, once they get the disruptors they should make short work of the Klingons (due to them being more religious blade worshippers, and Lorca and Tyler's Starfleet war training), and I can fully expect them managing to outrun and outgun them for a minute in one of their own shuttles. But I would've rather seen some ingenuity (maybe using Mudd to trick them into dropping a disruptor, perhaps with his little bug friend).

But c'est la vie. It was all probably a pre-planned "escape" anyway.
 
Two-character interactions are by nature more boring than three-character interactions, because they are static after awhile. Two people left to themselves, with their own personalities, will react to one another in the same manners without some outside force mucking up the dynamic. Add a third person to the equation, and things get much more complicated.
 
I gave it a solid 8.

I'm enjoying the ongoing arc and this felt like a good solid Trek story to boot. A little foreshadowing of the mirror universe?
I'd place money on Tyler being Voq as well.

As an aside I've gotten my father, a TOS and TNG purist, into the show. He likes it quite a bit. Got an actual LOL at the "Fucking cool" bit tonight. He didn't care for the "gay" scene at the end, which I knew would bother him when he saw it, but I'm hoping to get him past it as being no different than the "controversial" interracial kiss back in TOS between Kirk and Uhura.
 
Has a trailer for next week come out yet? Aside from the "mirror gag" there's no obvious plot threads to pull on any longer, so I'm curious what it's going to end up being.
 
ENT was most certainly focused on three specific relationships:

1. Archer/T'Pol/Trip
2. Trip/T'Pol
3. Trip/Malcolm
I disagree.

Enterprise was very much Archer and T'Pol's journey and their relationship. All the big pivotal/defining moments of the show ultimately are about them. Trip was just the person they had in common and shared a lot of scenes with. He was the third wheel.
 
In every other series by Bryan Fuller, one character's sacrifice would weigh heavily on the lead. Here, there was no effort to have what Stamets did carry any meaning with anyone, with maybe the exception of Saru (and even minimally, at that). Burhnham and Lorca, both, should have taken pause over Stamets' actions. It feels like the producers are asleep at the wheel: they don't know what Fuller left them with.
 
He didn't care for the "gay" scene at the end, which I knew would bother him when he saw it, but I'm hoping to get him past it as being no different than the "controversial" interracial kiss back in TOS between Kirk and Uhura.

Oh yeah, I bet some people were super-pissed there. "Why, I'm going to cancel my subscription as soon as I can get my grandson over here to do it!"
 
In TOS they weren't that strong. The Enterprise crew did well against them in the Trouble With Tribbles. (Well, maybe not Chekov ;) )

The TOS Klingons were Smoothies who lost their strength due to that virus in that one episode. I assumed these guys are not smoothies, but I can believe that they have been effected by the virus enough to lose their strength to human-like levels, and will only regain it at some point before the TNG era.

And Washington was not a great general, but he was the first president of the US.

Top Ten US Generals of all time. #1 is George Washington.

Not that I dispute what you're saying. History looks kindly on good leaders (and Washington won where it counts, namely Yorktown and thus the entire American Revolution. Presumably, Archer won the Romulan War).
 
Oh yeah, I bet some people were super-pissed there. "Why, I'm going to cancel my subscription as soon as I can get my grandson over here to do it!"
We jest but it wouldn't surprise me! I thought it was tactful. Not like they went in for a big sloppy french kiss or anything.
 
In every other series by Bryan Fuller, one character's sacrifice would weigh heavily on the lead. Here, there was no effort to have what Stamets did carry any meaning with anyone, with maybe the exception of Saru (and even minimally, at that). Burhnham and Lorca, both, should have taken pause over Stamets' actions. It feels like the producers are asleep at the wheel: they don't know what Fuller left them with.

Fuller didn't write this episode - his cowriting credits ended at episode 3 it seems. so we should expect the Fuller influence to continue to wane.

I bet anything we'll see that Stamet's decision will have lasting ramifications on his character - perhaps even his sanity. The "mirror gag" is only the beginning.
 
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