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where are all the Germans?

he did not - he lost his citizenshio of the kingdom of würtemberg in order to get one from switzerland (it's all in that wiki-quote)

i don't contest that the nazis drove him out but i do believe he would have ended up in america anyway (nazis or not).

in the long run he would have chosen the affiliation that suited him most. the hierarchic german univeritary system wouldn't have helped us there.
 
oberth said:
he did not - he lost his citizenshio of the kingdom of würtemberg in order to get one from switzerland (it's all in that wiki-quote)

i don't contest that the nazis drove him out but i do believe he would have ended up in america anyway (nazis or not).

in the long run he would have chosen the affiliation that suited him most. the hierarchic german univeritary system wouldn't have helped us there.
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Your attempt to manufacture disloyalty on Einstein's part is frankly disgusting.
 
Herr Oberth, don't forget the USS Grissom was an Oberth Class science vessel!
And the Enterprise-D had a shuttlecraft Von Braun.
 
Yeah, I've erred on the side of editing the thread title. Just because the OP doesn't find it offensive doesn't mean that somebody else might not.

And let's cool down on the Einstein, debate, please.
 
Bad Thoughts said:
Your attempt to manufacture disloyalty on Einstein's part is frankly disgusting.
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where do you get that from? i don't. the concept of nationality is only second to religion when it comes to selling bloodshed to those who are supossed to acively and passively take part in it.

einstein followed his own interest which is totally okay with me.
 
Forbin said:
Herr Oberth, don't forget the USS Grissom was an Oberth Class science vessel!
And the Enterprise-D had a shuttlecraft Von Braun.
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i mentioned the oberth class in the op. as to von braun americans tend to forget that obersturmbannführer von braun had a german past. - click -
 
The Old House Mixer said:
Yeah, I've erred on the side of editing the thread title. Just because the OP doesn't find it offensive doesn't mean that somebody else might not.

And let's cool down on the Einstein, debate, please.
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i'm new and not yet accustomed to this side but i used krauts deliberately to make it clear that this is not about national pride or somesuch.

i would have pmed you about it, but i can't and doing it in a week is kinda senseless.
 
oberth said:
i'm new and not yet accustomed to this side but i used krauts deliberately to make it clear that this is not about national pride or somesuch.

i would have pmed you about it, but i can't and doing it in a week is kinda senseless.
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"We will confound Jerry at every turn!" - Crow T Robot. :lol:
 
Well, Star Trek is an US-American entertainment product, so I don't really expect it to namedrop German or otherwise non-US things, places or people just for the sake of honoring real life accomplishments. Whenever it does I usually do a double-take and think it's kind of cute, but I don't really assign any kind of value to the inclusion of German stuff in Star Trek. I tend to look at Germany's positive effects on global spacefaring efforts as neglectable, so the degree in which they are represented right now in Star Trek is alright by me.
 
Michael said:
I tend to look at Germany's positive effects on global spacefaring efforts as neglectable, so the degree in which they are represented right now in Star Trek is alright by me.
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"negligible". But also, say what now? Dude, a LOT of the space race in the early years was really our imported Germans against the Soviet Union's imported Germans! Admittedly, it has moved away from that, but our current efforts still stand on the shoulders of giants.
 
ISS Triumphant said:
"negligible". But also, say what now? Dude, a LOT of the space race in the early years was really our imported Germans against the Soviet Union's imported Germans! Admittedly, it has moved away from that, but our current efforts still stand on the shoulders of giants.
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... he did neclect them though ;)
 
ISS Triumphant said:
"negligible". But also, say what now? Dude, a LOT of the space race in the early years was really our imported Germans against the Soviet Union's imported Germans! Admittedly, it has moved away from that, but our current efforts still stand on the shoulders of giants.
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So it's really to the credit of the USA and Russia, not Germany the country. ;)
 
I think that if you tried to compile a list of all current-day nationalities that were never mentioned/indicated in Star Trek, that list would be a lot longer than the list of nationalities that actually were. So it's not a surprise that even from a population as numerous as Germans (today at least) representatives are rarely seen on the shows. Populations like those from India may even be more severely underrepresented.
 
ISS Triumphant said:
Perhaps true - but the OP didn't ask about the country, but rather, about German people. (But then he excluded Einstein as too American, so to heck with it. ;) )
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i thought most americans would see him, von braun, von puttkammer (that list is endless) as americans and thus he wouldn't be considered a 'foreigner' by the showrunners.

i also asked whether in canonized trek-history wast sways of europe, africa, asia and australia (the latter in toto) have been obliterated in ww III. if that has happend in canonized books i wouldn't know that as i only read one and that was so horrible that i disbanded with the idea to read any more of those.

as to von braun. whether german or american he certainly deserves more than a shuddle or should be condemmed by starfleet. a von brown space station for research would have a nice ring to it (bad pun intented).
 
There's almost certainly an intentional effort to avoid bringing specific nationalities and the like too heavily into play, because the future history that leads from now up to Archer's time is best left with large gaping holes in it to make room for our real world in the fiction, and also because it would imply things about "winners" and "losers" in our current geopolitics that would threaten to bias Trek - and that would run contrary to Trek's vision of a brighter future for ALL of humanity.
 
oberth said:
as germany has quite something to do with mankind being in space
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Yes, the development of the V2 Rocket and the subsequent use of German scientists from that era did help NASA in the space race for sure.
 
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