THE ORVILLE - S1, E6: "KRILL"
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Guess the theory was that the by simply scanning the book, it would be more covert - the Krill wouldn't know it had been copied. If the book was simply taken and the theft discovered before they were able to escape it would be much harder to get out.
Pllus it was damn big book to be carrying over the ship without getting spotted.
A bit of a small world... or maybe on purpose. Sazeron was played by James Horan, one of a handful of actors who have played on EVERY spinoff during the Berman era.
Including the Jem'Hadar First Ikat'ita from "IN PURGATORY'S SHADOW" and "BY INFERNO'S LIGHT". Funny, since I think the look of the Krill reminds me of the Jem'Hadar...
Including the Jem'Hadar First Ikat'ita from "IN PURGATORY'S SHADOW" and "BY INFERNO'S LIGHT". Funny, since I think the look of the Krill reminds me of the Jem'Hadar...
Very solid episode, and one of the most intricate stories yet. My only beef is that the Avis jokes went on a bit too long - just made Gordon look dickier than he usually does. (BTW, I have no problem with the 20th/21st century jokes. The oldest audiovisual entertainment available to these guys comes from that era, and they may be going through a kind of rediscovery of the time. And Avis may still be around.) Most of the humor was spot on: hailing channel, fire suppression control panel, brand new leg - I hope he last becomes a (forgive me) running joke. The serious ending was the kind of well-delivered heavy message we really haven't seen in this kind of show for a long time.
I am reminded of Tolkien's oft-quoted statement: “I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”
You make some good points. Yes, taking pics was the more covert method. But it would take too long. I did the math. Taking a picture of 2 pages of the Bible every 5 seconds would take about an hour. That is probably overly optimistic since you probably could not keep up the pace and still do a good job. Realistically, it would probably take several hours for Mercer to take pics of every page of the Krill Bible. That is way too long to just be hanging out in the Chapel where someone could see you. To make it work, they would have to do the job over several days, taking pics for maybe a half an hour every night.
Excellent episode!! Fun, poignant, funny all when it needed to be! Episodes 4-6 have all been pitch perfect. This series has definitely found its legs. Even though this series takes itself less than seriously, I am wondering how the Krill story arc will go. What will they learn from the Krill bible? I guess they have the whole thing now! Mercer must be looking pretty good in the eyes of the Union, a real hero. First he saved the colony, got the intact shuttle, then saved another colony and got the intact war ship!
More please!
More please!
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I quite enjoyed this episode. Interesting look at the inner-workings of the Krill and really funny. The one drawback is I would have liked a B story set aboard the Orville just to keep the rest of the cast active for the whole episode, but I guess that could have gotten in the way. There was certainly enough plot on the Krill ship to keep the episode going. Still, the opening scene with the crew hanging out was just downright awesome and hilarious. I wonder how long before we see a regular get together for them, like Riker's poker games or something like it?
Trek references for this episode, the Krill chapel kind of reminded me of the temple on Yonada in For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky. Also, the Krill priest is James Horan, who has had many roles on the various Star Treks including the mysterious Future Guy on Enterprise.
Trek references for this episode, the Krill chapel kind of reminded me of the temple on Yonada in For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky. Also, the Krill priest is James Horan, who has had many roles on the various Star Treks including the mysterious Future Guy on Enterprise.
That's exactly what I was thinking while watching. At the end, I realized how impressive it was that they fit all of that in 42 (or so) minutes. The unrelated humor at the beginning, the first colony save, mission prep, the mission with its various twists and turn, and so on up until the resolution but it didn't feel rushed. You got both the humor along with the drama that fit together perfectly. Excellent writing!
Yeah, I agree as well. Trek has been at it's worst when it confuses the two.
McFarlane has definite opinions about religion in general that are reflected in this episode, and there's no indication that he means to comment on a specific current religious/political situation.
The specific ways in which the Krill talked about their beliefs and portrayed their prayer service, though, were pretty colloquial Americana...well, except for the dagger.
Thanks for the photo!
I am doubting that this is a heavy cruiser. It could be, but it just doesn't seem big enough. The Orville was able to fly through the spires of that one Krill ship from the pilot (does anyone remember if that ship's class was mentioned?), whereas this ship seems to be only about the size of a Krill Destroyer.
But blue whales are extinct. They'd have to go back in time to the 20th or 21st century (even though there weren't many blue whales around even then) and then use some particles they steal from a nuclear wessel to recharge the engines and...Hey! They're krill, right? So, why not get some Blue Whales and send them in to eat all the krill???
BTW, forgot to mention in my last post how much I love Gryffindorian's Halloween name, "Samhain To Watch Over Me". Too bad most people don't know how to pronounce it.
I thought that too.
It was a decent episode but the jokes did get annoying after a while. Maybe I can only take Gordon in small doses because I find him kind of annoying. I did like the ethical dilemma though and it seems like they are building the krill up as a big bad this season so there is a mini arc building. I did miss the overall crew interactions though. That’s one of the things I liked about the previous episodes. Everyone got a chance to shine rather than just one or two people.
I really liked this episode. The horror of showing what the Krill do to their enemies, and making their motivation one based on religion is something that is a very good topic to tackle.
For me, the line at the very end was incredible. It had a twist to it that really fits in with good drama, in that there may be consequences down the road for what happened.
For me, the line at the very end was incredible. It had a twist to it that really fits in with good drama, in that there may be consequences down the road for what happened.
They didn't seem to be getting full pages either with the scans either.
Perhaps the intent wasn't to copy the whole book but just enough to get an understanding.
In the end though they got the whole book, and the Krill Destroyer so it's all moot
So no Darmok episode in this universe!
Regarding the size difference of the two ships, I think it was mentioned in the pilot that the Orville is a medium cruiser. I can see the Admiral's ship being a heavy cruiser like one Mercer dreamed of commanding one day.
No, there is but on the Orville it's "Chaka Khan, when the walls fell."
