97% is pretty much as close to unanimous as you can get.
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Again, among a biased and politically motivated group. We have already seen and been told of instances where the data has been manipulated to affect the outcome.
Anyone remember that Norwegian super-volcano that blew in 2010? Eyjafjallajokull. It emitted significant greenhouse gases and particulate matter into the atmosphere and what happened? Airplanes were grounded for about a week and a few thousand people coughed until the air cleared 6 days later.
Just saying that is is awfully hubris of us to think that we have that significant an impact over a short period of time; especially when polar ice cores indicate that the planet goes through phases like this where it has become much hotter, and much cooler.
These same 97% state that we are overdue for another mini ice age- ice ages have historically ALWAYS been precluded by a period of global temperature rise.
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I know Cat is unflinchingly honest, so my comment was more about Marsdin's methodology and things that I think the DEO might be involved in than it was about her.
Cat is and was a highlight of Supergirl for me.
My wife has a degree in Environmental Science, with a Minor in Emergency Management. What kind of qualifications you have to ignore 97% of climate scientists?
I don't ignore, I just don't take it all at face value without asking reaffirming questions. There are too many unknowns and questionable occurrences of falsified data to blindly accept everything that is presented.
And what of the climatologists that stated in the 1970's that we were headed for a new ice age, that global cooling would put us all under ice and snow? Turned out not to be the case. Who's to say in 40 years time the same mis-calculations aren't being spoken about the Global Warming theories of the 2000s? We also know the world is not flat; yet there was a time when a majority of "experts" said otherwise.
I hold degrees in Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology- while not environmental science, I'm not the typical low-information individual with no advanced learning. I know how the world works and I know to question everything.
But none of this is the point of the topic created.
But that's just it. Cat wouldn't work for a dishonest president, or one willing to employ fascist and unethical surveillance tactics against the American people. Marsdin may be hiding her alien nature, but otherwise she's on the up-and-up, which is why Cat trusts and respects her enough to work for her.
I hope they're holding onto the "the president is an alien" concept for something really cool. It'd be a shame to have introduced it only for the minor plot point of the alien registration act conflict. There's a lot of potential for good story there..
Cat knows about the existence of the DEO, though, and the clandestine and beyond-the-law nature of what they do.
She's working for Marsdin because of their friendship as much as anything else.
I'm someone who does believe in Climate change. It's one of the reasons why I think humans will all be dead in 100 years like I talked about in a Misc thread. I don't know anything with the science but I trust it's true mostly because all the experts say so and then you see stuff like the hurricanes. TO me though that, like any social or political issue is never the issue when it comes to tv and movies.
Just having what I think is the correct opinion on the issue is not effective drama or comedy just for being correct. Its how it is written and played and how honest you feel the issue has been explored or how much of a effort you have put into trying to understand the other side and make the counter argument. I understand though people might not watch a show for the same reasons I do. Maybe people just want a positve show. You could make a argument that "Supergirl" is a modern day version of "TNG."
I got into "TNG" back in 1994 because I was having a bad time in my life and I responded to the positive aspect of the show and the show still works for me on that level. I do feel my tastes in tv have improved over the years though were I also kind of want more from my shows and I want stuff a little more complex. I can see how younger people,like I was in 1994 when I was a teenager in high school, might like the less complex nature of the show and the easy to digest morals. TO be fair I feel all the CW shows are kind of like that and the only difference is the others are simply better written. If I were to use Trek examples then it would be:
Arrow equals DS9
Flash: TOS
Legends:Voyager
Supergirl:TNG
Vixen: TOS cartoon
Actually I haven't seen the show yet but I didn't want to give it the bad label of "ENterprise" without seeing it.
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Just having what I think is the correct opinion on the issue is not effective drama or comedy just for being correct. Its how it is written and played and how honest you feel the issue has been explored or how much of a effort you have put into trying to understand the other side and make the counter argument. I understand though people might not watch a show for the same reasons I do. Maybe people just want a positve show. You could make a argument that "Supergirl" is a modern day version of "TNG."
I got into "TNG" back in 1994 because I was having a bad time in my life and I responded to the positive aspect of the show and the show still works for me on that level. I do feel my tastes in tv have improved over the years though were I also kind of want more from my shows and I want stuff a little more complex. I can see how younger people,like I was in 1994 when I was a teenager in high school, might like the less complex nature of the show and the easy to digest morals. TO be fair I feel all the CW shows are kind of like that and the only difference is the others are simply better written. If I were to use Trek examples then it would be:
Arrow equals DS9
Flash: TOS
Legends:Voyager
Supergirl:TNG
Vixen: TOS cartoon
Actually I haven't seen the show yet but I didn't want to give it the bad label of "ENterprise" without seeing it.Jason
But she accepts it as a positive and necessary thing. Illegal surveillance of the sort you're talking about is a whole other matter.
It all depends on context; I can easily see the kind of surveillance that Cat was denying being done by the DEO and put to positive use.
You obviously went to the negative side of that argument, which is fine.
It is not a "unanimously held scientific conclusion" concerning climate change. It's not even 97% that you claimed later. That's 97% of the 100% who first came up with the conclusion.
1) I said "near unanimous". Learn to recognise qualifiers.
2) Not once did I make any such numerical claim. Learn to accurately attribute your quotes.
3) Straw-man arguments are for idiots. Don't be an idiot.
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It's closer to about 32%, maximum. The study that came up with those numbers (that most who claim the 97% figure don't even know about) only polled researchers who had published papers on the topic, and found that 66% of research published expressed no stance on anthropogenic global warming at all. It's a lot of playing with the numbers, sample size, comparing number of authors vs number of papers published, using new common core math that they get even close to 97% of anything. If you only count researchers that already support the global warming concept, and then state that 97% of those researchers believe that not only does it occur but that it's significantly caused by mankind, yeah... it can be misleading.
Then once a political leader, in this case a tweet by fmr. Pres Obama, people run with it as absolute fact. Besides, when you look at the data that indicates global temp averages have only gone up 0.8 degrees C over the past 150 years... I think either which way, we'll be fine.
I do wonder if global warming would be seen as a big deal in this universe. We know that you have alien planets that you could in theory relocate human life to. Plus when you got a Superman and Supergirl I got to think for many they figure that one of the superheros will somehow save the planet no matter what crisis tends to happen.
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Doesn't do all the animals much good. Besides, it would be immensely harder to relocate 7 billion people than it would be to embrace green energy.
If anything, I'd think alien technology would make it easier to develop alternative energy sources and environmental recovery methods, since other, more advanced planets would already have such stuff. But you need to get people to accept the reality of the problem before you can fix it.
Superheroes can only do so much to save the world if humans insist on systematically endangering it. It's better in the long run to fix our own problems instead of using superheroes as an excuse to be irresponsible.
I agree that Superheros couldn't solve the problem but I wonder if that thought might run through the minds of people in that universe. KInd of how I think people today think that we will someday create the needed tech to save the day in the end so they feel the issue isn't so urgent. Kind of reminds me of that issue last season were criminals were using the , Supergirl effect to gain freedom in court. It might be fun for the show to kind of explore the regular people in this universe and how Superhero's have impacted the society in the little ways you don't notice when they are just fighting elaborate villians with over the top, schemes. Granted that didn't work so well for the show, "Powerless."
Jason
Supergirl--
"Triggers"
SG/Kara: Still groaning over Metro-El, and yeah, yeah, he's not dead as she believes. That's the underwhelming mid-season finale and/or 3B premiere.
So, her fears are centered on claustrophobia of being rocketed away from her world....interesting in that Kal-El (in any medium) does not suffer from such a phobia, which can start even in the formative years.
"If I don't have Supergirl, what do I have?" Er...friends who have always supported you? Yeah.
Lena's a "great boss?" How would she know?
James: Hopefully, he never backs down to Lena's manipulation crap. Surely he can see how she's too interested in Kara's whereabouts for no good reason...or so one would think, if James is not placed in "duh" mode this season. Still, the look he cuts at her as she's leaving yells suspicion. It shuld go somewhere.
Lena: Stepping on James' toes right out of the gates. Prying into Kara's life then turning into a snake when Kara--as is her right--shuts her out. I do hope Kara is not written to "come to her senses" and let Lena back in, since intrusive behavior remains that no matter the motivation.
Samantha: How long before Lena uses her as some back end plot against you know who...
Her daughter seemed like her life is missing something in insisting her mother had powers, when (at this point) she should have trusted that her mother's "adrenaline" story was true. Of course, Ruby suffering from hero worship issues only makes her disbelieve her own mother.
Ruby being at the center of Psi's attack (and walking into the center of the chaos) was such sloppy-assed, convenient writing just to force Samantha in a position to use her power again. Thankfully, that did not happen.
Winn: Does he have a spine at all?
Psi: This series really needs to created super-powered villains who are not so petty and easily slapped away. For one possessing such a potent ability, robbing banks and mind-screwing the locals just seems like a weak character desire. The actress was pretty cartoonish in her delivery.
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Kara exposing her suit in the elevator...many corporate offices have cameras in the elevators, so that was a silly choice on the director's part (making Kara seem incredibly reckless), unless it will come back to be used against Kara by Lena.
Once again, terrible FX--this time the POV of Krypton's destruction, and SG flying out of the DEO. That looked like a cutout cell from 60s TV animation--the bad kind.
GRADE: C+. Kara struggling is the most interesting character development on the show since James asserted himself (to Supergirl) about his need to be the Guardian. Too bad it seems to be worth only two episodes.
"Triggers"
SG/Kara: Still groaning over Metro-El, and yeah, yeah, he's not dead as she believes. That's the underwhelming mid-season finale and/or 3B premiere.
So, her fears are centered on claustrophobia of being rocketed away from her world....interesting in that Kal-El (in any medium) does not suffer from such a phobia, which can start even in the formative years.
"If I don't have Supergirl, what do I have?" Er...friends who have always supported you? Yeah.
Lena's a "great boss?" How would she know?
James: Hopefully, he never backs down to Lena's manipulation crap. Surely he can see how she's too interested in Kara's whereabouts for no good reason...or so one would think, if James is not placed in "duh" mode this season. Still, the look he cuts at her as she's leaving yells suspicion. It shuld go somewhere.
Lena: Stepping on James' toes right out of the gates. Prying into Kara's life then turning into a snake when Kara--as is her right--shuts her out. I do hope Kara is not written to "come to her senses" and let Lena back in, since intrusive behavior remains that no matter the motivation.
Samantha: How long before Lena uses her as some back end plot against you know who...
Her daughter seemed like her life is missing something in insisting her mother had powers, when (at this point) she should have trusted that her mother's "adrenaline" story was true. Of course, Ruby suffering from hero worship issues only makes her disbelieve her own mother.
Ruby being at the center of Psi's attack (and walking into the center of the chaos) was such sloppy-assed, convenient writing just to force Samantha in a position to use her power again. Thankfully, that did not happen.
Winn: Does he have a spine at all?
Psi: This series really needs to created super-powered villains who are not so petty and easily slapped away. For one possessing such a potent ability, robbing banks and mind-screwing the locals just seems like a weak character desire. The actress was pretty cartoonish in her delivery.
NOTES:
Kara exposing her suit in the elevator...many corporate offices have cameras in the elevators, so that was a silly choice on the director's part (making Kara seem incredibly reckless), unless it will come back to be used against Kara by Lena.
Once again, terrible FX--this time the POV of Krypton's destruction, and SG flying out of the DEO. That looked like a cutout cell from 60s TV animation--the bad kind.
GRADE: C+. Kara struggling is the most interesting character development on the show since James asserted himself (to Supergirl) about his need to be the Guardian. Too bad it seems to be worth only two episodes.
Not bad, and the extended POV scene from inside Kara's pod was quite striking. As was the actress playing Psi, though I didn't find her performance as compelling as her looks.
But how could Lena not have noticed that Kara got into an elevator that was then smashed open, leaving only Kara's purse and glasses behind? You'd think she would've been worried that something terrible had happened to Kara. (Also, if she was in the middle of a panic attack, when did she have the presence of mind to remove her street clothes while flying up the elevator shaft? Or are we supposed to think they were torn off when she smashed through the roof? And who's gonna pay for repairing the elevator and the roof?)
Also, is there precedent for Kryptonians being vulnerable to psionics? I thought it was just kryptonite and magic. I'm thinking it might've been more plausible if it had been a subsonic attack. Subsonics can induce a sense of anxiety and fear, and there have been stories where Kryptonians' super-hearing has made them extra-vulnerable to sound-based powers.
But how could Lena not have noticed that Kara got into an elevator that was then smashed open, leaving only Kara's purse and glasses behind? You'd think she would've been worried that something terrible had happened to Kara. (Also, if she was in the middle of a panic attack, when did she have the presence of mind to remove her street clothes while flying up the elevator shaft? Or are we supposed to think they were torn off when she smashed through the roof? And who's gonna pay for repairing the elevator and the roof?)
Also, is there precedent for Kryptonians being vulnerable to psionics? I thought it was just kryptonite and magic. I'm thinking it might've been more plausible if it had been a subsonic attack. Subsonics can induce a sense of anxiety and fear, and there have been stories where Kryptonians' super-hearing has made them extra-vulnerable to sound-based powers.
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