Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other five?
The Nitpickers thread - where complaints go to Gre'thor
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It's only 100 years
Oh well that makes all the difference.
I hate to be the person who brings this up but remember the Excelsior is a transwarp capable vessel and the Enterprise can travel to the galaxy's core.
But yes, it's obvious the Spore Drive is both immoral and impractical so of course the Federtaion wouldn't use it.
I will say, though, it does agree with my other objection:
There is absolutely no reason this show couldn't take place 100 years AFTER TNG when the Klingon Empire has collapsed and Michael is the ward of a random Vulcan or student of Spock's.
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I think you're being too nitpicky. There are probably thousands of components onboard the Shenzhou that could be useful or not to the non-working Klingon ship. Starfleet officers grabbed a few things they could and got the hell out of dodge, probably because of the Klingon ship nearby.
They probably don't know that a dilithium processor is required by Voq to get his ship running, moreso than a warp coil or a fuel inlet servo.
But why is an essentially intact Shenzhou left behind anyway? Why didn't the crew set the self-destruct when they evacuated? Why didn't they rescue ships destroy it? Why didn't the rescue ships destroy the Klingon ship and or capture the survivors aboard?
ENT has the augmented virus turning the Klingons into the TOS Klingons, we could be seeing more TOS Klingon as discovery continues.
I don't know. Maybe they high-tailed it out of there when T'Kuvma's derelict ship decloaked, and shot at them, before they could finish gathering everything. Maybe the binary star system is technically within Klingon space now, explaining how Kol could so easily show up, as Starfleet is slowly planning on going on the offensive, while the 24 Klingon Houses are just going war-crazy and not really focused on what happened to T'Kuvma and all that jazz (except for Kol, who's being deceitful in order to nab a cloaking device).
Then it becomes even stupider that they left an intact starship behind in enemy territory.
A thousand times this. A common practice for centuries is that if you have to abandon technology that can benefit the enemy, you scuttle it. Destroy it as thoroughly as possible. Sabotage it. Leave it unusable to anyone. To screw this point up is sloppy writing.
All Kol needed to do is show up with a replacement dilithium confloodler, and Voq's crew would have flocked to Kol's side even without him needing to stop at KFC first.
It's also possible a dilithium processor isn't a nuclear reactor but a spark plug.
I.e. Starfleet DID strip the Shenzhou of everything useful and intended to recover the wreckage later but the Klingons came onboard and found the incredibly common and otherwise militarily useless part they needed.
It's not like they downloaded Starfleets defense codes. They may have just gotten themselves a wrench and some gas to go.
I.e. Starfleet DID strip the Shenzhou of everything useful and intended to recover the wreckage later but the Klingons came onboard and found the incredibly common and otherwise militarily useless part they needed.
It's not like they downloaded Starfleets defense codes. They may have just gotten themselves a wrench and some gas to go.
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what makes you think so?
Loving it! Because while I don't like complaining, I adore addressing...
Not Warbirds (which are supposedly big and scary, at least in ENT and the 2009 movie), but Birds of Prey (which are supposedly utterly puny, at least in ST3, ST6, TNG, DS9 and ENT). Firing "double hot" phasers at them a couple of times ought to work, even if those are science ship phasers only. But Lorca killed the Birds of Prey at Corvan II with some sort of kaboom sticks, possibly antimatter pods. They looked bigger than the torpedo warhead we saw in the second half of the pilot, so they should have every excuse for being sufficient.
But no, I don't think the BoPs would have had their shields down. They did see the Discovery arrive, after all, and came in firing, from a long way off.
Houses apparently don't get renamed when a new leader takes over, unless the new leader comes from the outside. The Kor who founded the House of Kor probably lived in the 2nd century BC or whatever - we've seen the House of Duras feature at least two leaders named Duras across the centuries, neither of whom was the founding leader.
Might still exist as is. It's not as if the Imperial Throne got anything done back in the 2150s, after all. If the Klingons are sloths in comparison with the UFP when it comes to developing, they shouldn't have been much weaker in the ENT era than they were in TOS or TNG, yet they didn't walk over Earth anyway. Probably only the House of Duras (which is one of the Greats, at least in TNG) had a grievance with Earth, and the Imperial Seat didn't bother to get involved.
Perhaps Voq will inject himself with the stuff in order to achieve transformation into another regular character?
I don't think I ever heard of a Kahlessian rule forbidding that.
But what "truce"? T'Kumva said he won't fire at Georgiou. But that was always subject to change. It changed.
They tried to - the hole Burnham made in T'Kumva's neck began spreading, and then the effect petered out. It's probably a matter of power setting, then, and in war any sensible soldier ramps down his gun so that he doesn't run out of ammo. Which is what happened in TNG and DS9, too (even though both shows featured plenty of "peacetime" phaser use that involved total vaporization).
And I guess it will be a plot point. After all, only this utter weirdo T'Kumva seems to give a damn about corpses here.
It's dishonorable to attack from behind, I guess. To die from such an attack? Probably not dishonorable.
They also have warp drives and communicators. It seems Voq's weren't working.
Possibly. But it sounded to me as if they ate her pretty soon after their victory, as a symbol of their triumph. It was all about pleasure rather than survival.
I don't believe in "rescue ships", as none were ever mentioned. Everybody involved in the battle died, or got stranded aboard dying ships, or escaped in lifepods. And the site thereafter reverted to the Klingons who supposedly were alarmingly victorious on all fronts in the following months, so Starfleet couldn't go there and the Klingons didn't bother to.
And Starfleet doesn't believe in scuttling. They never have, except as a tactical ruse (or sheer bluff). It's not as if salvaging an enemy starship would be a reasonable prospect, apparently, as we never see it happen!
Capturing one intact is another matter. And no, the Stargazer doesn't count - it apparently took years and fortunes for Bok to restore her to what didn't really count as "fighting trim".
Timo Saloniemi
I definitely agree with this. He still died in battle after all. I don't think the method of death within battle makes a difference to being considered amongst the honoured dead.
Those escape pods made it back to the Federation somehow. Since escape pods aren't warp capable in even the 24th century, rescue ships must have shown up to retrieve them. Simple logic, but no, no. Adhere strictly to what's on screen.
Have they actually mentioned breathing oxygen yet in this series? It might not be canon if they haven't.
If Michael is remembering Spock then shouldn't she remember Sybok?
