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Starship Concept Art - Battle of Binary Stars Fleet

Perhaps so that when they introduce a ship that HAS to have cylindrical nacelles sometime down the road, it will stand out from the rest. ;)
Like the Enterprise perhaps or another of the Constitution class, I will be fine if the styling is the same as the Europa or even the Discovery itself.
 
these ships have to be a few years old, maybe even decades old... shenzhou was "old". they may not even be intended to fit a 2250s aesthetic.


I really hope they ditch the round nacells totally and make the Connie closer to the Phase II/TMP style. Leave the rounded nacells back in the ENT era.
 

Yes, but none of those are actually valid reasons not to establish an identity and then promote it as your unique thing. Balance of Terror, The Wrath of Khan, Best of Both Worlds, all establish this different style of combat, which isn't particularly realistic (i.e. The Expanse), but which is recognizably Treklike - the franchise can leverage this quirk instead of seeing it as a problem. Because, sorry to say this because I love the movie, but the Wrath of Khan's combat wasn't particularly realistic even in 1982 - it was dramatic though - the idea of ships hurling particle beams at each other might not be so far fetched - but other things were. When the ship has sailed I would stick to the theme, updating it without making it alien to the franchise - but that is just me.
 
How about the other question?

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Why no D7-style battlecruisers?

First observed 22nd century - last observed 24th century - seem to form the bulk of the Klingon fleet during TOS and TMP.

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Why no D5-style battlecruisers?

Kor said he captained one before commanding his D7 class ship, and they seemed to have formed the bulk of the Klingon fleet in ENT.

Why, in fact, does the Klingon fleet look so utterly different?
When I saw T'Kuvmas ship I thought it was a special type as it has a working cloaking device.

However after seeing episode 4 that clearly isn't the case as Kol's ship was the same design, they may be the new D7.

Also the Birds of Prey don't really look anything like what we have seen before either.
 
Yes, but none of those are actually valid reasons not to establish an identity and then promote it as your unique thing. Balance of Terror, The Wrath of Khan, Best of Both Worlds, all establish this different style of combat, which isn't particularly realistic (i.e. The Expanse), but which is recognizably Treklike - the franchise can leverage this quirk instead of seeing it as a problem. Because, sorry to say this because I love the movie, but the Wrath of Khan's combat wasn't particularly realistic even in 1982 - it was dramatic though - the idea of ships hurling particle beams at each other might not be so far fetched - but other things were. When the ship has sailed I would stick to the theme, updating it without making it alien to the franchise - but that is just me.


Trek is not realistic. And while people love Balance of Terror, IMO it is weak and ages damned poorly. Trek has never been one thing, it reinvents itself every new show. Why should combat be any diff?
 
@Mirror Mirror I find, like a lot of people, that Balance of Terror is one of Star Trek's all time finest episodes - not just for TOS, but for all time. Okay, so submarine warfare in space does not make a lot of sense, but it is dramatic as hell, and the episode is a fantastic war episode, dealing with other themes, and introducing one of Star Trek's all time finest species - what an introduction it was.

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Star Trek may change, as I said, but it has greater fidelity than, say, Doctor Who, it's part of the identity of the show now - it's become really fashionable of late to argue Trek has no fixed identity - I myself have pointed out the Klingon redesign has precedents in TMP as you may have seen - so I'm not unsympathetic; I've actually argued it myself in some contexts - but it is very disingenuous to go back 85% of the way through Star Trek's history to find the last major visual reboot and then use it to say "aha, there is precedent" for every change made from now on - some changes are going to just be poor creative choices that lose the original artistic appeal, if you just argue that every time - there will come a point when it loses it's raison d'etre, it's identity, and might as well be any other SF - so I'm especially protective of "themes", artistic intent - just as I would be with JRR Tolkien..

Sometimes a visual design contains within it a philosophy - an artistic intent.

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The artistic intent, for example, of having the Empire in Star Wars washed of all color, using very clean angular and practical designs, is to show a whole host of themes, such as cold military pragmatism being taken to an extreme - individuality being stripped from imperial officers - historical fascism being awash with greys, blacks and reds. Star Trek had different reasons for what it did. The visual reasons why Starships were unadorned and functional in Star Trek, was to show how modern technological societies operate along principles of objective reason and engineering in an arms race will evolve down similar avenues - it was specifically evocative of the Cold War - and to provide easy silhouettes for audiences to quickly understand - like a WW2 airplane recognition chart.

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It's not a fixed ball and chain dragging Star Trek down, it's an opportunity to echo and enhance - take Blade Runner 2049, some are saying it's the perfect sequel. It's not perilously close to fanwank, as Rogue One almost was (saved by creative flourishes that made it a valid artistic work of it's own, but perilously close to just being an Original Trilogy reference spotter). But it's also not in any way a reboot, understanding that with enough imagination you can fit anything you need within established parameters, without it being trite, you can endlessly find the new meaning behind an established theme.

With DSC... the jury is still out.

I don't mind Klingons being tweaked - I quite liked their Into Darkness appearance - but there is a limit to it. Even in Doctor Who, there comes a point where fans hate a redesign - when a villain is reduced to something trite by a production team that does not seem to get the original menace of the concept - such as the continually awful reboots of the Cybermen - or the questionable things that have happened to Daleks.
 
I don’t mind the reimagining of Klingon starship design for this show , but specifically, I don’t like the BOP design showcased in Discovery: to me, it looks like a weak, forgettable design - fairly generic and uninteresting.

That particular design is a miss, IMO.
 
They look like standard Eaves, especially the Europa which looks like it could fit seamlessly in Insurrection era Trek.

That said they're very nice. It's just such a shame the series seems to have a problem with space shots lasting more than two and a half seconds. I hate the quick cuts and everything is too Abrams style shakey cam in space. I'm loving Discovery, but the space battle in episode 2 was generic and forgettable. Pew pew.
 
I thought of that, but then, why is the entire fleet composed of the one new type of nacelle
What makes you think it was new? It's probably an OLD type of nacelle. Between these designs and the Kelvin, I'm beginning to think the TOS Constitution was actually the oddball of the fleet.
 
I suspect that after the Discovery and the Shenzhou were okayed with their nacelle shapes, that set the Discovery Starfleet look in stone and the rest of the fleet was designed to fit in with them.
 
I suspect that after the Discovery and the Shenzhou were okayed with their nacelle shapes, that set the Discovery Starfleet look in stone and the rest of the fleet was designed to fit in with them.
At least they kept the design similar to what we know is coming with Discovery being understandably different due to it being built for a very specific purpose, I think they did a great job on the Discovery and Starfleet ships with the nacelle design being a requirement of the visual upgrade, I just wonder what exactly they were thinking when it came to the Klingon ships.

Can you imagine how much better the battle would have been if the Klingon houses had warped in on recognisable though visually updated Birds of Prey/D7's or even D5's, I don't normally notice or give a damn about this sort of thing but it was just another aspect of the first two episodes that jarred even me.

Such a lost opportunity to build hype.
 
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I suspect that after the Discovery and the Shenzhou were okayed with their nacelle shapes, that set the Discovery Starfleet look in stone and the rest of the fleet was designed to fit in with them.

That's not how it was. Even with the Discovery and the Shenzhou, before the designs were even started, the art dept was told "no cylindrical nacelles on any federation ship."

I don't know the reason behind that mandate, but I do know that was pretty much the only thing they were told before designing. An odd choice to me considering TOS era.
 
The TOS ship was always the lameduck. Nothing that came after it is based off it at all. Everything is based off its redesign, the near perfect TMP version.

Even Enterprise looked like a direct prequel to the TMP-era. The midmod aesthetic of TOS is best ignored at this point.
 
The Europa's kind of ugly, although I like the upper part. The two Miranda-like ones are serviceable predecessors, and the Tplana-Hath is interestingly unique. I really love the Yeager, though, both for the nacelle configuration and the way the bridge is up front. It feels really sleek and fast.
 
To Eaves' credit he at least tried to incorporate the round bussard into the unconventional engine designs.
 
Even Enterprise looked like a direct prequel to the TMP-era. The midmod aesthetic of TOS is best ignored at this point.

Agreed, although lets all agree those TMP uniforms never happened. Really, GR ditched TOS in every way, TMP was a big ol reset.And while we got some TOS looks on some homage Eps, it was a style they more or less totally ignored.
 
although lets all agree those TMP uniforms never happened.

Totally on board.

Though, as ugly as they were, their influence hasn't entirely vanished. Just the fact that DSC made it's own attempt at skintight onsies (albeit not in pastels) shows that they cast a long shadow. Even the Meyer-era red jackets have basically been forgotten as a stylistic influence by now.
 
Totally on board.

Though, as ugly as they were, their influence hasn't entirely vanished. Just the fact that DSC made it's own attempt at skintight onsies (albeit not in pastels) shows that they cast a long shadow. Even the Meyer-era red jackets have basically been forgotten as a stylistic influence by now.


They where just redyed TMP uniforms and fabrics lol. Its why they went with red. But gods did I love the Monster Maroons. Best set of Trek Uniforms to date, the most military and best looking.
 
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