Spoilers Supergirl - Season 3
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Huh. 
If the show's ratings are taking a dip because it's about "empowering" women, then there is no way a show about super"anything female" would succeed unless it was a Baywatch ripoff.
Huh.
Well, maybe not even then given the performance of a recent movie version of the same.
According to CBR.com, Supergirl did average 1.9 million viewers this Monday, but that Arrow averaged less than 2 million all season 5 long and it still got renewed because their "live +3", and "live+7" ratings were better. CBR.Com is predicting SG's will go up in those ratings as well.
I know that's when I watch these shows, in fact I prefer to watch it then knowing it's the only way the cw knows I am watching their product.
As for the politics... I love Cat's borderline Scaramucci press secretary BECAUSE she's being so inappropriate. I mean really... who in their right mind would think Cat Grant would be an effective diplomatic mouthpiece for a President.
I am shocked she hasn't outed the prez as an alien already.
I wonder if the "moron" comment was just kismet or if they went back to the studio in the last week to refilm that segment?
Huh.
I suspect kismet.
That's a lot of effort to expend for one more "shot".
My favorite political line is still and forever will be when Voyager's EMH described his performance as "PRESIDENT OF EARTH" as "unimpeachable" during the Bill Clinton Era.
If the show's ratings are taking a dip because it's about "empowering" women, then there is no way a show about super"anything female" would succeed unless it was a Baywatch ripoff.
Huh.
Well, maybe not even then given the performance of a recent movie version of the same.
According to CBR.com, Supergirl did average 1.9 million viewers this Monday, but that Arrow averaged less than 2 million all season 5 long and it still got renewed because their "live +3", and "live+7" ratings were better. CBR.Com is predicting SG's will go up in those ratings as well.
I know that's when I watch these shows, in fact I prefer to watch it then knowing it's the only way the cw knows I am watching their product.
As for the politics... I love Cat's borderline Scaramucci press secretary BECAUSE she's being so inappropriate. I mean really... who in their right mind would think Cat Grant would be an effective diplomatic mouthpiece for a President.
I am shocked she hasn't outed the prez as an alien already.
I wonder if the "moron" comment was just kismet or if they went back to the studio in the last week to refilm that segment?
Huh.
I suspect kismet.
That's a lot of effort to expend for one more "shot".
My favorite political line is still and forever will be when Voyager's EMH described his performance as "PRESIDENT OF EARTH" as "unimpeachable" during the Bill Clinton Era.
I didn't know they were different?Yeah, if this show doesn't watch it's step it might loose not only the misogynistic and racist demographics, but also the moron demographic too! Wouldn't that be just *awful*?!
Which doesn't mean you want her saying that in a press briefing. Just because it's true doesn't mean it's smart poltics. Even if you wanted to show your support for the issue you wouldn't do it in a joke or insult to a bunch of reporters. For all you know that little quip could cost you a whole state in the next election.
Jason
The question shouldn't have to be asked.
Its more about liars than deniers.
Its more about liars than deniers.
I didn't even know the show was doing bad in the ratings. I actually think we might be starting to see the first steps of comic book movie/show fatigue. I know "Iron Fist" and "The Defenders" were not well liked and the latest comic book stuff such as the Inhumans and X'Men show on network tv feel really boring to me.
Jason
Jason
That's exactly why it's funny. Putting the most outspoken and undiplomatic woman on Earth-38 in a position that normally calls for delicacy and evasiveness is comedy gold.
Personally, I'd rather have a press secretary who's honest to a fault than one who constantly denies known facts.
I understand why they did it. I think though that was the example of the show being political that someone asked about. I kind of like that concept as well but for me the jokes didn't really land which was my issue and usually is with most Trump jokes by now. I feel like I have heard them all. I kind of liked the Trump joke on "Flash" better with CIsko's shirt. He had that shirt with a Roswell alien and the words on it that said. "Don't Take me to your leader." I want one of those shirts.
Jason
For somebody with Cat's personality and drive, Press Secretary is the perfect job, and for somebody with Pres. Marsdin's convictions, priorities, and secrets, Cat is the perfect Press Secretary because she can cut through the BS and deflect criticism and scrutiny away from Pres. Marsdin's activities and behavior by being inappropriate, mouthy, brash, and upfront.
It's a solid bet that because Cat denied it, Pres. Marsdin is definitely spying on people through their toasters and microwaves, which is just fun to think about.
It's a solid bet that because Cat denied it, Pres. Marsdin is definitely spying on people through their toasters and microwaves, which is just fun to think about.
That was funny, but it doesn't really fit in Earth-1, where Susan Brayden is the US president and seems like a decent person. Although she did become president the week before Christmas 2016 (which we know from dialogue in the following week's Arrow episode), which means after the election and before the inauguration, so maybe her predecessor lost the election and she was just filling the seat until the winner was inaugurated. There was a mention of a female president in the January 25 episode of Arrow, just after the inauguration if we assume real time, but it's hard to say for sure.
Wow, you have a staggeringly poor understanding of Cat Grant as a character if you could believe that. She's always been relentlessly dedicated to speaking the truth, no matter how much it hurts. When Supergirl went bad thanks to red kryptonite, Cat had the courage to speak up and warn the public even though it hurt her reputation to denounce her own pet superhero.
I was, and I watch the show.
Yeah, and what does it say at the bottom of that comic panel, "Help keep your school ALL-AMERICAN". Kinda sounds a lot like "Remain Klingon", or any number of conservative statements that others see as Nationalist...
Yeah, if this show doesn't watch it's step it might loose not only the misogynistic and racist demographics, but also the moron demographic too! Wouldn't that be just *awful*?!
Thanks for insulting people like myself. I enjoy Supergirl for the female empowerment, and find no fault whatsoever with the focus on lesbian or gay characters. Good to know that there is no room in this country for hate (unless you hate Trump or any conservatively aligned person, who is automatically assumed to be a racist, misogynistic moron with xenophobic tendencies). So much for not passing judgement on those you don't know.
Progressives, claiming to be open-minded, unless your mind doesn't think like they do in which case, you're a racist idiot.
Well, this was just a few years after WWII, so patriotism was in vogue. But the point that was being stressed at the time -- also voiced in a number of late '40s Superman stories, which may have inspired that poster -- was that being American meant being inclusive, welcoming to all races and religions, and open to immigrants. That "American" wasn't an ethnic or religious category, but a shared recognition that all men [sic] were created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights. After all, American patriotism in WWII had come to be defined in opposition to the Nazis, a group dedicated to racial and religious hatred. There were still some groups in the US at the time that were bigoted and xenophobic, pushing a narrow, exclusionistic definition of what "American" meant, but rhetoric like what's in the poster and what was in the comics and radio shows of the era were in deliberate contrast to that, refusing to let the bigots define what it was to be American.
No, I just class anyone that seriously claims a disbelief in a near unanimously held scientific conclusion to be a moron. Doesn't matter if it's climate change, the Earth being a sphere or sticking a fork in a live plug socket being very unhealthy life choice. The bigotry just seems to come along for the ride, all by itself more often than not. I can't help that there's an increasing correlation between the two.
Hate to be the one to break it to you sunshine but bigotry isn't a race. Neither is conservatism. As difficult as it may be to grasp opposing prejudice is not in itself prejudiced.
Also, where did I or the show make any such explicit connection between American conservatives a people with the IQ of a glass of water? When someone shouts into the void "wilful stupidity is bad" and you find yourself feeling as if you're being personally insulted from that alone, then I'm afraid that's on you and perhaps you ought to reconsider with whom you self-identify,
I understand that; and I think both interpretations need to be viewed through the lens of their times. What we have today is a large number of people that believe "American" means us and no one else (I don't subscribe to this). Another group believes that "American" is an insulting term and that borders and sovereignty mean nothing; and are perfectly happy destroying the homogeneous "melting pot" of the United States in favor of everyone retaining their mother country's culture.. that assimilation and integration into an "all of us" ""American"" culture is somehow forcing them to forget and abandon who they were.
Well, then you get a Europe, where there are pockets of communities where others are not welcome. Not very inclusive when that happens.
The last line of that poster was poorly written; stating "ALL American" suggests that anything other than a pure American conformity is bad. "American" can and should mean all-accepting. It does not need to be thought of as either extreme, accept all and let them do whatever, even if their original culture overwrites that of all of us together, nor should be force everyone to be the same.
This is getting off-topic. The point is simply that superhero fiction has always been political. Supergirl's approach to it could stand a bit more nuance, yes, but its willingness to have something to say is part of its identity as a show, and it's part of a tradition stretching back to the origins of the Superman franchise.
You seem to be missing where the ad hominem attacks are being made. That is the significant difference. It is not right when Pres. Trump does it, and it is not correct when the opposition does it either. Everyone gets their panties in a bunch when Trump makes a personal attack towards anyone else; but then retorts with the same right back at him and his supporter or those who are less aligned with the opposition.
Climate change conclusions are not unanimous; they are among those who fabricate and manipulate data and climate models to produce a certain desired outcome and are funded by government grants that want to see that outcome; but not by independent researchers. Not as if there is anything anyone in a first-world country can or is going to do about it regardless. Do any of us really think that generally poor, developing nations are going to abandon their cheap coal and pre-1940s industrialization because it warms the globe? Nope. Maybe if you drop ship them a crate full of Arc Reactors they may...
Opposing prejudice is fine, I encourage it. However I encourage it with respect and a little class. There is a far cry of difference between all the name-calling, insults, and derision, and what should be occurring which is attacking the policy or viewpoint. When is the last time anyone listened to an opposing viewpoint after being called a frakking moron with the intelligence of a potato? yeah, never.
Agreed- It is still distracting and unnecessary to any story they wish to tell to be so hamfisted and on-the-nose with their commentary. They can do it tactfully without stopping down to the crude level that they have. They can do it better by showing us rather than use such in-your-face exposition. Show us that woman can be powerful, and strong, and supportive. Show us that same-sex relationships are OK, and completely normal. Show us that careless and wreckless industrialization can destroy the planet; and that antagonizing a dangerous enemy State can foolishly lead to war... all things that may disagree with the current US leadership and political arena, but aren't so crass as to pull us out of the show when it occurs.
This is how I feel. It needs nuance. While it's a okay show I got to think how much better it would be if you had a Joss Whedon writing it. I also think the show still suffers from not having that more conservative or even asshole voice in the cast. The show could use it's version of Giles or Spike. Everyone is just two nice especially with Katt basically not on the show anymore. Maybe that is the big issue is they never fully replaced what she did for the show. The editor whose name I forget you think would be perfect but they hardly ever use him.
Jason
Editor's name was Snapper.
At least when Arrow took on gun control they had both viewpoints presented. That episode at first pissed me off for the first time in the series, I shut it off halfway through. I came back and finished it two days later and was impressed with how balanced it ended up. That's a good way to do political commentary in a sci-fi/fiction/superhero show.
Supergirl as a show, yeah, I hear ya Jason. Kara is so whiny all the time, Schott is so nice but dumbfounded by everything, Alex is so naive and she shouldn't be, J'onn J'onzz feels like he's struggling to maintain control of his sanity let alone his organization, James Olsen is the only real rounded and grounded character. Even Lena is disillusioned acts neurotic.. the whole show feels chaotic like they aren't even sure how the characters are supposed to interact. It doesn't feel cohesive at all.
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