THE ORVILLE - S1, E5: "PRIA"
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You saw Ferris Beuller.
You can't roll back an odometer by just putting the engine in reverse.
The entire crew is 300 years older.
You can't roll back an odometer by just putting the engine in reverse.
The entire crew is 300 years older.
I had no problem with the time travel resolution.
It was simply the the point of least paradox. Destroying the wormhole made it impossible for Pria to exist in the past, yet if that had just reset the Orville's timeline to the beginning of the episode, they would have never destroyed the wormhole.
Since destroying the wormhole is the point in linear time where they change future events, that is the point where the paradox correction happens. And the correction is "create two universes". The Orville keeps existing in a new, no-wormhole universe, and Pria never existed (or at least never came back) in that universe, so she vanishes from it.
Prior to the wormhole's destruction, there was only one timeline and Pria was always a part of it. It's no more absurd than movies like Looper, where one character travels back in time, gets killed by his younger self, and then both vanish from existence, yet letting an already altered timeline continue.
The rest of the episode was great, the humor was meshed well with the drama and was the funniest it's been yet. Isaac not noticing harmless pieces of plastic on his "head" makes perfect sense for an AI inhabiting a purely functional humanoid body, as does his clandestine surgical alteration of Malloy - he has no reason to think we would have a visceral reaction to losing an easily replaceable part of our bodies - as he literally has no viscera.
Both of the big action sequences were really exciting, visually stunning and kinetic yet easy to follow as a viewer (no neo-BSG style shakycam and fast zooms required). Great score as well.
Yes, this show is very derivative of pre-JJ Trek. But I don't see that as an issue at all. If Enterprise had been this consistently good at sticking to this formula from the beginning instead of introducing convoluted story arcs (Temporal Cold War, ugh), it would have probably lasted beyond 4 seasons. And I say this as someone who liked Enterprise quite a lot despite its rocky start and occasionally horrific missteps (Dear Doctor). After nearly 15 years of no real Trek, whatever franchise fatigue may have set in is gone and I'm very happy this kind of show is back on the air.
It was simply the the point of least paradox. Destroying the wormhole made it impossible for Pria to exist in the past, yet if that had just reset the Orville's timeline to the beginning of the episode, they would have never destroyed the wormhole.
Since destroying the wormhole is the point in linear time where they change future events, that is the point where the paradox correction happens. And the correction is "create two universes". The Orville keeps existing in a new, no-wormhole universe, and Pria never existed (or at least never came back) in that universe, so she vanishes from it.
Prior to the wormhole's destruction, there was only one timeline and Pria was always a part of it. It's no more absurd than movies like Looper, where one character travels back in time, gets killed by his younger self, and then both vanish from existence, yet letting an already altered timeline continue.
The rest of the episode was great, the humor was meshed well with the drama and was the funniest it's been yet. Isaac not noticing harmless pieces of plastic on his "head" makes perfect sense for an AI inhabiting a purely functional humanoid body, as does his clandestine surgical alteration of Malloy - he has no reason to think we would have a visceral reaction to losing an easily replaceable part of our bodies - as he literally has no viscera.
Both of the big action sequences were really exciting, visually stunning and kinetic yet easy to follow as a viewer (no neo-BSG style shakycam and fast zooms required). Great score as well.
Yes, this show is very derivative of pre-JJ Trek. But I don't see that as an issue at all. If Enterprise had been this consistently good at sticking to this formula from the beginning instead of introducing convoluted story arcs (Temporal Cold War, ugh), it would have probably lasted beyond 4 seasons. And I say this as someone who liked Enterprise quite a lot despite its rocky start and occasionally horrific missteps (Dear Doctor). After nearly 15 years of no real Trek, whatever franchise fatigue may have set in is gone and I'm very happy this kind of show is back on the air.
I have no problem with the time travel resolution because frankly, it's no worse than the time travel resolutions in better science fiction shows that I would defend.
I can't criticize Orville for the way the timeline worked out without criticizing every time travel episode in Star Trek history equally.
But let's not pretend it makes any sense.
I can't criticize Orville for the way the timeline worked out without criticizing every time travel episode in Star Trek history equally.
But let's not pretend it makes any sense.
So, it's like every time travel story.I have no problem with the time travel resolution because frankly, it's no worse than the time travel resolutions in better science fiction shows that I would defend.
I can't criticize Orville for the way the timeline worked out without criticizing every time travel episode in Star Trek history equally.
But let's not pretend it makes any sense.
That's not Trek=specific -- that's been a staple of television series for decades. Other staples include but not limited to:
* An old love comes back, but will break his or her hart or try to kill them.
* An old friend comes back and is now evil or has to do some evil deed.
* Some friendly stranger turns out to have bad intentions (that was also part of "Pria").
* A main character dies but later turns out to no have died (done with "Pria" as well, but no doubt we'll get a bigger one later)
* A whacky set of circumstances leads them on a wild goose chase. It's whacky!
* A member of the crew is accused of killing somebody or breaking some law, and is arrested, taken to trial, and sentenced to death. So the crew rushes to untangle the mystery and clear the person's name.
Cool, best episode yet!
While I'm also quickly growing weary of the "jar of pickles" line, I hope they're going somewhere with that, setting up something for a future episode.
The weird thing though is not that Mercer keeps encountering super heavy doors, it's that he decides that he's going to try to open them first. Why not just start with Alara? If you're going to include her on an away team and bring her along, then simply have her try the door first. Especially since they were up against the clock in this particular episode.
While I'm also quickly growing weary of the "jar of pickles" line, I hope they're going somewhere with that, setting up something for a future episode.
The weird thing though is not that Mercer keeps encountering super heavy doors, it's that he decides that he's going to try to open them first. Why not just start with Alara? If you're going to include her on an away team and bring her along, then simply have her try the door first. Especially since they were up against the clock in this particular episode.
Yeah, same here. It was funny the first two times, but now it's just showing that Mercer is an idiot (or worse) and should tell Alara to open the door right away instead of wasting time trying himself. Unless that becomes part of the joke, just drop it.
First, He's gotta at least try. It might be an easy door to open.
Second, the payoff will be that he will actually struggle to open a jar of pickles and Alara will go to help but he will open it himself.
Road kill is more lively than Data/LaForge.
So they all should be destined to die in that "dark matter" storm.
Or she was lying, and just kidnapping whoever she wanted.
But if she was telling the truth, then Ed just selfishly slaughtered every rescued person from Amelia Earhart onward, and any of their resulting progeny. They could have been living quite productive lives in the 29th century.
Or they could be in a zoo.
Or she was lying, and just kidnapping whoever she wanted.
But if she was telling the truth, then Ed just selfishly slaughtered every rescued person from Amelia Earhart onward, and any of their resulting progeny. They could have been living quite productive lives in the 29th century.
Or they could be in a zoo.
And they randomly turn it off and don't finish watching it. Who does that? Further more, who does that as a collective group of people? Maybe somebody wanted to finish watching it.
Why not?
I can't imagine what the point of that would be. The show just started, and you already want to completely change the premise despite the fact the current premise is just fine and the show is firing on all cylinders with the current premise?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Was recently talking about this in the real world, it's very likely Pria was lying about the whole thing. First of all, how could the Orville be destined to be destroyed in the dark matter storm if the only reason they were flying through it was because of events Pria set into motion herself? Indeed, the fact that the Orville isn't automatically destroyed despite the fact that Pria apparently never visited them would lean towards proof she was lying. Hell for all we know, the squids she was selling the Orville to didn't actually have an intention of leaving the crew alive anyway.
Yes.
Happens all the time in TV land.
They wouldn't have been there if they didn't go to "rescue" Pria's ship and bring her where she wanted to go.
She's a con-artist
She's a con-artist