My point was - the TOS 1701 should have had Holographic Comm Tech similar to that of both the Shenzhou and Discovery. In Universe - that it doesn't is 'troublesome'.
Update your thinking and assume that it did.
Where did all the future tech come from?
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Update your thinking and assume that it did.
problem is - we never really saw it in use anywhere. It's total absence it's what is so conspicuous. If it were a useful tool, it should be there and used.
^ Just because something exists doesn't mean it automatically has to be used.
problem is - we never really saw it in use anywhere. It's total absence it's what is so conspicuous. If it were a useful tool, it should be there and used.
TOS writers did not even know about DNA testing yet. Thier FX could not even do force fields, they mimed it.
The FX did 'Force Fields'.
1) TOS - "Where No Man Has Gone Before" - There's a visual effect when Gary Mitchell charges/runs into the Forcefield to show the audience it's there.
2) TOS - "Assignment Earth" - Gary Seven touches the Brig Forcefield and there's two small VFX to indicate its presence.
3) TOS - "The Enterprise Incident" - There's a visual effect when James T. Kirk charges/runs into the Romulan Brig Forcefield to show the audience it's there.
That wouldn't be an accurate assessment. There's no way a workhorse of the Federation fleet that survived 50 years of service could be considered "failed."
The problem with the future is that it keeps changing. I blame time travelers.
It wouldn't have to if they just went farther in the future.
Nothing on canon says its a workhorse. Much less starfleets workhorse. In TOS it's 20 year old with a production of just 13 ships. For something the size of starfleet, this is a tiny, tiny ship run.
True, but that probably isn’t happening any time soon.
Nah
Except that it was used as a workhorse in nearly every capacity we ever saw it in. Whether it was war games, conducting humanitarian aid, standing fast against the Klingons, etc... etc.. It was the go-to ship for everything from milk runs, and diplomatic escort, to all out war. That's not just limited to the Enterprise, either. That was every Connie we saw in TOS, performing those duties. That is a textbook workhorse.
You're presuming we know the size of the Starfleet in the 23rd Century as depicted in TOS. We don't. Except for the indications that it isn't that big. Three Federation ships meeting for an event was considered "impressive" (Re: Amok Time.)
A half dozen ships met to face down the Klingons in Errand of Mercy.
Good luck with that! We recently had a long argument about this. He will just disregard everything that actually happens in TOS as 'stupid plot'.
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They MAY have had many more Starship/Constitution Class ships prior the the Federation/Klingon War - but were left with just 13 after the war. (Look at why/how fast the BRAND NEW NCC-1030 U.S.S. Glenn was lost.)
It is a Cruiser. This is what a cruiser does, its what they are designed to do, its what the very classification means. But 13 of a class is not a "workhorse", that would be something the fleet has a lot of.
in 2161 the federation started with close to 30 worlds and 4 fleets. TOS Kirk gave it as thousands of worlds. The current fleet would not be smaller than the 4 fleet starter set in 2161. And by definition a cruiser is a solo ship, it is odd to see more than one together unless its war or its part of a fleet.
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They MAY have had many more Starship/Constitution Class ships prior the the Federation/Klingon War - but were left with just 13 after the war. (Look at why/how fast the BRAND NEW NCC-1030 U.S.S. Glenn was lost.)
This is the other angel, yeah. It is a 12 year old heavy cruiser at this point. They could have taken heavy loses among the war, which would fit well. Honestly, this is how I would handle it.
30 worlds?
The Romulan War novels mention 5 members, about 7 planets (Earth, Mars, Alpha Centauri, Vulcan, Tellar, Andoria, Berengaria)
Novels are not canon. You had all the worlds the 4 powers had in ENT and between them they had close to 30 worlds. earth was one of the weakest with only 5 star systems. At lest one of those "Sol" had two worlds. So earth, the newbie power had 6 worlds. Add in the expansionist Andorians, the vulcans and the Tellrites and you get close to 30 star systems. Each of those powers had a fleet of ships. and they likely built them up heavily for the war.
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