I think we just need to accept the fact that this is a full reboot.

[Yminale]

What's wrong with the Klingons in TMP? They looked good enough to only need a minor alteration the next time we see them. Plus the ships looked really good.

Jason

They look terrible. I mean they look like rejects from an intergalactic barbershop contest. The awesome Klingons didn't come along until ST3.

I'm sure they will tweak the prosthetics in time. That being said T'kumva is on my top 10 list for best Klingons with Cmdr Kruge, General Chang and I guess Worf.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

I don't know? Virtual Sarek was leaning on Burnham's desk.

That bothered me too, in my head canon Sarek's in an identical room and was actually leaning on /his/ desk.
But explaining the unVulcanlike posture is another matter all together...

 

[Yminale]

That bothered me too, in my head canon Sarek's in an identical room and was actually leaning on /his/ desk.
But explaining the unVulcanlike posture is another matter all together...

Why did Sarek marry a human? Come on the answer is simple. He likes us. Like Spock, he emulates us unconsciously.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Why did Sarek marry a human? Come on the answer is simple. He likes us. Like Spock, he emulates us unconsciously.

I'll go with that.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I don't mind either way but I will say this about the first two episodes.

It looks like a reboot - Klingon looks and ship changes etc
It sounds like a reboot - No more Klingon verbal torture please
It acts like a reboot - Spock has a sister all of a sudden, how random is that
It feels like a reboot - In tone, circumstance and delivery

There was no need to make any of the changes they made, the producers could have got away with a few modifications here and there for sure and a general update of the look of the ships, races and the technology in general, who made the decision to make changes in areas that simply did not require it.

I like the look of the Discovery and the rest of the fleet ships but where are the D7's if this is prime timeline 2255 and where are the Birds of Prey.

Makes me wonder why the producers came out and said it was prime, perhaps they thought it would appeal to more people and thus get better view ratings.

Whatever the producers, scriptwriters and designers intentions, it feels like a reboot and makes me wonder what the Enterprise will be like if they do have the two ships meet.

As I said above I am fine with a reboot or not, claiming a show is based in the prime timeline means there are certain rules that need to be followed like consistent racial looks, with the human form Klingons created during Enterprise mixed in with classic looks Klingons, ship designs that were established as being around during that time period and a technology level that is in line with what came before and afterwards.

Pretty much all of those rules have been broken, the only aspect of the first two episodes that look right is the USS Shenzou as it is one of the last ships with a design link to the NX01 and the look of the ships we saw in the Federation fleet that engaged the Klingons, I can overlook the cutouts as I have always been in favour of them and its a minor change.

The Klingon ships and the USS Discovery (I do like the design though) are a big departure from the look and technologies we have seen in TOS and many are having a hard time imagining 10 years into the future and seeing TOS, I understand that the TOS was designed and made 60 years ago and so an update of the look and feel is expected but they could have had the Klingon houses show up in D7's/Birds of Prey and the battle would have looked bang on for the era it represents, why didn't they as the fans would have loved to see the D7 and Birds of Prey brought bang up to date visually.

What they were thinking when they came up with the Klingons new look I just don't know, it even restricted the actors/actresses abilities to act their parts it was terrible, not too mention how long they must have spent in makeup.

What on earth happened during development.

My theory so far is that some klingon houses made deals with the Romulans to aquire ships and technology. The "klingon" ships we have seen so far, are actually romulan ships. Look at the one at 18:09 in "Battle at the Binary Stars". Very romulan looking imo.

I guess a deal with the Romulans is also the reason how T'Kuvma got the cloaking technology for his Sarcophagus ship.

Makes sense, considering the klingon-romulan alliance during the times of TOS. Doesn't it?

 

[Jayson1]

They look terrible. I mean they look like rejects from an intergalactic barbershop contest. The awesome Klingons didn't come along until ST3.

I'm sure they will tweak the prosthetics in time. That being said T'kumva is on my top 10 list for best Klingons with Cmdr Kruge, General Chang and I guess Worf.

I admit the hair was bad but everthing else was good especially since the time period the film was made in.

Jason

 

[Butters]

Aside from not looking like it was made fifty years ago, I've seen no discernable difference with TOS. Okay, the Klingons look different, but that's nothing new.

What were they, the producers, supposed to do? Plywood sets with a dab of red paint? Five or six stock images of the ship for the whole series?

 

[Yminale]

What were they, the producers, supposed to do? Plywood sets with a dab of red paint? Five or six stock images of the ship for the whole series?

Yep, some fans want that.

 

[BillJ]

Aside from not looking like it was made fifty years ago, I've seen no discernable difference with TOS.

Really? You see no discernible difference? That blows my mind.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

in my head canon Sarek's in an identical room and was actually leaning on /his/ desk.

That's the most likely explanation, I agree.

@Unimatrix Q: Ditto.

And no, Burnham's existence doesn't mean that Spock suddenly has a sister. Just because Sarek and Amanda raised her doesn't mean they formally adopted her.

And even so, there may be any number of reasons why Spock never mentioned Burnham. Someday we'll find out why.

 

[Dr. Bashirs protege]

Honestly I am just sad over all of the the trekfandom that is losing their shit over all this. Explain the situation to any non trek fan, then show them TOS->TMP->TWOK oh and then for good measure show them Christopher Plummer in UDC. "Why does he look different!? Mah god!" Because he didn't want to wear the damn head piece. At a certain point it's gets embarrassing. Everyone would look at you I like you have two heads.if someone doesn't like discovery because of the shows Merritt, THATS PERFECTLY FINE but to dismiss it out of hand because of changed aspects makes me feel like some people only ever watched TNG and literally nothing else. My god, even the tonal shift from TMP to TWOK is damn harsh "wait...when did Starfleet become militaristic?" (I didn't say full military) because Nicholas Meyer wanted it that way. Why did he change the uniforms out of the pajamas? Because when he was brought in he was showed a screening of star trek and said those uniforms would like a disastor on the big screen. My absolute favourite one, when gene was asked why the Klingons look the way they do in the films his response was "they've always looked that way".

 

[CardassianAssassin]

It's hardly a great conundrum what's going on here...

The producers are terrified of pissing off the fan base (and run into legal issues with saying it's based in the Kelvin timeline), so they're going with the past of least resistance by saying it's based in the prime timeline and isn't a reboot.

But at the same time, they either don't want to, or don't know how to stay within the parameters of canon.

So we get the worst of both worlds: A Trek that pays lip service to canon, while at the same time in every practical sense ignores it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There's a damn big difference between ignoring CANON and ignoring FANON.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

any number of reasons why Spock never mentioned Burnham

Probably along the same lines as never mentioning Sybok...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I suppose it's possible that Spock and Burnham don't like each other. Maybe Spock is jealous that she gets all of Sarek's attention and that's what leads to father & son's estrangement.

Of course Sarek would say that it's because of Spock being in Starfleet, but even in TOS, Starfleet has an entire SHIP crewed by Vulcans (the Intrepid) so that excuse doesn't hold water.

 

[Butters]

Really? You see no discernible difference? That blows my mind.

I see federation starships, starfleet officers, vulcans, Klingons, phasers, warp core breaches, and a load of name drop continuity references. I see scheming Klingons and heroic deeds. Its all in there, just more visually accomplished.

 

[Vger23]

Probably along the same lines as never mentioning Sybok...

...or that the Vulcan Ambassador is his father
...or Pon Farr
...or the inner eyelid
...or that Vulcan blood is based on copper
...or etc etc

 

[Dr. Bashirs protege]

I see federation starships, starfleet officers, vulcans, Klingons, phasers, warp core breaches, and a load of name drop continuity references. I see scheming Klingons and heroic deeds. Its all in there, just more visually accomplished.

Essentially yeah. If you show it someone who only has a passing familiarity with trek they'd say "yup, that's star trek". Can't add anymore than you said except to say maybe that yeah, the federation ships have their standard shape as do klingon ships, just much more intricate. But again those were house leader ships, im betting they were tricked out to look impressive lol

 

[CardassianAssassin]

Idk man... watched with someone who's a huge TNG fan, and the first thing they said about the "Klingons" was "Who the heck is that? A new race?"

 

[Dr. Bashirs protege]

Idk man... watched with someone who's a huge TNG fan, and the first thing they said about the "Klingons" was "Who the heck is that? A new race?"

But that's a huge TNG fan, I don't mean to generalize but I'm willing to bet that its those fans that have the biggest issue. It's not the huge TOS fans , as they already went through like three reboots lol. Definitely not the ds9 fans and with voyager and enterprise mileage may vary but I doubt they're putting a massive stink up.