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THE ORVILLE - S1, E4: "IF THE STARS SHOULD APPEAR"...

It appears Seth McFarland is going to undermine the Bechdel test by having his characters, male and female, talk about relationships all the time.

OTOH, Kitan and Finn "passed the test" in "Command Performance." Six of one, half a dozen of the other I guess.

Modern Trek would have beaten the Climate Change analogy in this story to death, dragged it into Picard's Ready Room and shot it through the head. Points to McFarlane for treading just a tad more lightly.

Fans used to talk about a "sense of wonder" as the feeling science fiction evoked that made it special to them. McFarlane gets this - the whole way in which the generation ship was presented was steeped in it, and it culminated beautifully with the "opening the sunroof" scene.

Despite a few pretty visuals during Burnham's spacewalk, current Star Trek has none of this. None. They're too busy killing Klingons.

Oh, and then The Orville let the air out of the old Trek cliche of having our people exchange wise quoations with the "Shakespeare/Emerson/Thoreau" bit. :lol:

This is the second time in as many weeks that one of the story's observations has been the resistance of human groups to changing their long-held beliefs and ways of doing things when presented with contrary evidence. In many ways this is probably as relevant a theme to our times as violence, war and peace were to the 1960s.
 
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Also, wasn't the guy playing the older friendly alien one of the main characters on Space Above and Beyond?

Yes - James Morrison - TC McQueen himself.

Doesn't look much older given the S:AAB aired 20 years ago.
 
As was said in a few posts here, I will take it one further and say that I feel like last night's episode was like a lost TOS script and finally made. You had the world ship, civilization no knowing they're on a ship (except for the villain), a city street on the backlot, every element of some of the more enjoyable and fun TOS episodes!

Plus, with how Kelly handled the interrogation, she's got more poise than Burnham!
 
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Fun episode. Kind of generic Trek fare, but done in a manner that makes it seem fresh and original. Plus, it really is surprising how efficient everything becomes once you take the Prime Directive out of the equation. Whereas Star Trek would have gotten hung up on tiptoeing around the place making sure they weren't found out, looking for a solution that didn't upset the way of life this was just "sup, we're aliens and everything you believe is a lie." I also like how relatively quickly they resolved Alara getting shot. Again, were this Star Trek, she would have been out of commission for the rest of the episode, constantly bleeding out and on death's doorstep by the time she was rescued. But here, removing the bullets was a simple matter and she was instantly back to her normal self.

Liam Neeson! So with him on the show, and Charlize Theron on next week's episode, when will MacFarlane get Patrick Stewart onto the show?

The opening scene with Bortus and Klyden was a bit odd, though I'm wondering if this will become a regular thing each week, have a scene dedicated to a slice of Moclan marital life?

I think my favourite line of the series now is Yaphit's "Guess it's another night with the toothpaste."
 
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Corny as hell, but what I loved:
* Sound Of Music!
* V'ger Goldsmith theme tributes (yes, on the nose but made me sooo happy to hear in episodic TV)
* Throwbacks to Archons and For The World Is Hollow...
* Robert Knepper :luvlove: (should we have a score count for Trek alumni?)
* Literary quotes ;)
* Love and positivity; already developed & realised characters I want to follow on their exploratory missions. I want to feel the same about DSC and hope I will. I don't mind if DSC is a 'darker, grounded' take as long as it improves and I can have both shows to watch.
 
The opening scene with Bortus and Klyden was a bit odd, though I'm wondering if this will become a regular thing each week, have a scene dedicated to a slice of Moclan marital life?

TO my thinking, it was a way of giving some continuity from the previous episode but without overwhelming this week's story line.
 
Plus, it really is surprising how efficient everything becomes once you take the Prime Directive out of the equation.

Yeah, this is a roll-back to the Trek TOS style - in the better, earilier, stories the PD was invoked occasionally so that Kirk could dispose of it with a line of dialogue at most before doing what the story demanded of our people. :)

This episode establishes again that McFarlane is a guy who's read a lot of old pulp sf. While the generation ship has been used in Trek and other TV sf, pairing it with the Emerson quote that inspired Asimov's "Nightfall" makes it likely that McFarlane is also familiar with the Heinlein antecedents for The Starlost and "For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky."
 
Well, Serveaux beat me by 35 minutes in summarizing the influences on this episode as a good thing. Despite these influences, the show didn't feel any more derivative than a good TOS episode.

Looks like the Bortus/Klyden scene was a late addition - wasn't this episode originally supposed to take place before the egg was laid?

A very good episode and evidence the show is settling nicely and the rough edges are being sanded down. My wife and I have developed a habit of proclaiming "I love this show!" after each episode.
 
Fantastic episode! Best of the series so far. I think the show has found its voice too. The combination of humor and drama was perfect. Last weeks episode was more of a TNG story while this weeks is more of a TOS story. That seemed to help quite a bit because the subject wasn't so somber.

Truly enjoying this series. If they can keep producing episodes of this quality, this show will be around for awhile.
 
Also, "BOOM, BITCH!" had my 13 year old daughter gasping for air from laughing! :lol:
I've noticed that scenes like this that were in some of the previews are way funnier in context.
As last week's show had a TNG thing going for it, I thought this one had more of a Voyager vibe. That Hemalak (?) had Voyager baddie of the week written all over him.
Actually, I kinda got an Original Series vibe from this, especially with the old-timey sets.
Oh, and then The Orville let the air out of the old Trek cliche of having our people exchange wise quoations with the "Shakespeare/Emerson/Thoreau" bit. :lol:
How Captain Mercer felt is how I often feel when people on Star Trek quote literature: like an idiot who doesn't read enough.
Yes - James Morrison - TC McQueen himself.
Somehow I mistook him for Stephen Lang.
 
Actually, I kinda got an Original Series vibe from this, especially with the old-timey sets.
I completely agree. Right from when I saw the street scene, it felt TOS. Even to the point of when Kelly is dragged out of the patrol cruiser (I completely pictured Kirk in that spot, obligatory rip to his velour tunic and all!) Also, seeing the person being thrown to the crowd while she watched was completely TOS, something like "Patterns of Force" or "Bread and Circuses".
 
Is it just me, or was "The Sound of Music" a subtle Trek reference? Same director as TMP.
 
Another fun episode, yeah it's heavily borrowing from classic Sci-Fi playbook (and Star Trek in particular), but you can't really see that sort of stuff on TV these days so I find it both refreshing and comfortable at the same time. Hope it gets picked up for more episodes/another season.

Minor gripe, I thought the whole "we need to go away for a bit to shoot some Krill" thing was superfluous and too (in)convenient.
 
Great episode. I'd give it an "A." Good mix of comedy, drama, and impressive world-building with a nice sense of awe at their surroundings. Clearly inspired by Trek episodes such as TOS - For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky and TNG - Who Watches the Watchers among others. Fortunately it bypassed any similarity to TNG - Homeward where Picard was willing to let an entire species die just to ensure that they were not interfered with, which I'm sure they would have been grateful for after they were all dead.

On TNG there would have been a bunch of conference room soul searching and paternalistic lectures before abandoning these people to die, but I'm glad that wasn't even considered here. While the Prime Directive is a good guideline for non-interference and the right policy most of the time, what point does it serve if you're so afraid of influencing a society that you allow it to go extinct? Who are you protecting if you protect them right into non-existence based on the arrogant assumption that they're too primitive to handle or adapt to the concept of more technologically advanced cultures existing (although in this case that was just because they had forgotten their spacefaring heritage)? Zero tolerance policies that take away all logic, context, and empathy from a decision making process are useless and in many cases as disruptive or destructive as the problems they were initially created to prevent by well-meaning but shortsighted people.

I also liked the bit about leaving behind the buoy to communicate with the away team that the Orville had to leave to rescue another Union ship. Someone mentioned earlier that they liked that they were paying attention to the small details like that, and I agree.

The visuals both inside and outside the massive alien ship were spectacular and some of the best in the series so far.

It was cool seeing T-Bag from Prison Break (and TNG and VOY) again as another good villain, and refreshing to see that despite the horrible things that he did to Commander Grayson, killing or retaliating against him was never even considered an option, because the greater priority remained saving his people. It was also nice to see Liam Neeson at the end and Col. McQueen from Space: Above and Beyond, James Morrison.

Not sure how I feel about the "jar of pickles" line between the Captain and Alara possibly becoming a running gag, because it fell flat this time. I half expected there to be a meta-commentary from her about how he had already used that joke before, but it didn't happen. It was nice though to see how Alara appreciates that the captain admires her strength and skills without being intimated by them like many of her other male crewmembers and friends. Some good character building there.

I also like that the conflict between Bortas and his mate is ongoing, even though they won't verbalize it as such quite yet and will say it's about other things than the baby. I can see that possibly being revisited in greater detail later on, but as it is, it's nice to not have everything wrapped up in a neat little bow at the end of the previous episode.
 
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Is it just me, or was "The Sound of Music" a subtle Trek reference? Same director as TMP.
Possible, but I think it's more of just a "Seth MacFarland loves old musicals" reference. He frequently references them on Family Guy and so forth.

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