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Are the new Klingons supposed to be White Republicans?

GeekUSACarl said:
I don't know there was only one white Klingon so...
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The white Klingon could have been Herman Cain, Colin Powell or Ben Carson.....Basically the white Klingon could have been a Black republican, which would basically be going into the racist white republicans who keep a few token blacks around for appearances sort of deal. I'm probably really wrong about that, and I don't personally think that just because someone is a Republican (or a Trump Supporter) they are racist. But if the writers are far left enough, well, it's usually hard to not have some of that stuff leak into your creations.
 
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Perhaps a story where Romulans have helped put a Section 31 operative in charge of Starfleet operations who the Federation rallies around because he's going to "Make the Federation Strong Again" after the war with the Klingons. Perhaps the story says nothing defi
Spot261 said:
Federation as The West? Sorry, never going to buy it, especially if by the west you mean the USA. They are almost literally polar opposites of the US in ideology, policies and practise. The Federation has never been America in space.

Starfleet as NATO? Conceivably but only if you expand NATO's peacetime role significantly.
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They are like the west in that as opposed to the Klingons, they represent liberty, freedom, and democracy. We can argue all day and night about how the West (or indeed, the USA) goes about its business, but the country-- and the West as a whole-- generally stand on principles of freedom and democracy.
 
Awesome Possum said:
Being transgender has nothing to do with sex.
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Which is something that could be pointed out in the episode. For me I have always sort of seen the issue form the perspective that a person who hates gay people will hate transgender people more or less for the same reason so the reason of addressing the issue on a show like "Trek" are kind of the same. It would feel kind of false if you saw a bigoted character on tv who hated gay people but was okay with transgender people for the reasons you have mentioned.

Jason
 
Tribble puncher said:
I'm not trying to start some sort of firestorm or finger pointing thing first off....

But given how a lot of shows inject some sort of political message into their fabric nowadays, I couldn't help but wonder while watching the show, with the Klingons feeling like this multi-species Federation was coming to wipe out their culture and identity, and XO Burnham stating that the only way to deal with them was to fire at them because they respect "violence" (aka "The Gun is Good"), plus Star Treks penchant to use Alien races as a metaphor for certain groups of people or ideologies, aaaaannnnnnnddddd....the fact that the writers mentioned in an interview that stories and events in the show would be based on "the current climate"....it just made me wonder. Maybe I'm just grabbing at nothing (happens quite often).
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I cant speak to what the creators have in their minds, but the Klingons are not a good stand in for US Republicans. There is a big difference between a warrior culture and support for 2nd Amendment gun rights as an added guarantee of safety and liberty. There are of course different Party factions with ideological differences. Social conservative, libertarian, center-right, nationalist, free traders and protections, pro-immigration vs. anti, etc. But I'm not sure we ever learned enough about Klingon politics beyond houses, rivals, and conflicts between them. Are there libertarian Klingons? What's their policy on immigration? Surely some people would choose to migrate there. What do Klingons believe in other than honor and house/clan/tribal loyalty? They seem to have had, at least originally a caste or fairly rigid class system. It was a big deal that Martok got as far as he did, vs aristocratic families like Kor's. But on a wide range of social and economic issues I don't know how much weve seen about the range of Klingon opinions.

Have they ever mentioned Klingon elections? How are council representatives chosen? They seem to represent houses/clans, not points of view, like Greens, Tories, Socialists, Libertarians, etc. Individual liberty and representative democracy don't appear to be in evidence, which most GOPers believe in .
 
The Klingons in this show have an empire, with borders. If they want to be left alone, do they have a right to be left alone? They seem to feel threatened by a Federation that is "coiling around them like a snake"(paraphrased...if the quote is wrong). Are the Feds encroaching on their territory?
 
Prax said:
The Klingons in this show have an empire, with borders. If they want to be left alone, do they have a right to be left alone? They seem to feel threatened by a Federation that is "coiling around them like a snake"(paraphrased...if the quote is wrong). Are the Feds encroaching on their territory?
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This is the kind of debate that I like about star trek.

I wouldn't mind seeing a map, of territories as far as this period in time are concerned.
 
ichab said:
The naive federation captain who lost her ship and got her crew killed could have easily been any number of Democrats in Washington. ....I'm just doing the devils advocate thing.
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So far we've learned,

token white Klingon's are just like black republicans,

and dead federation crewmen are democrats who've lost their seats in congress.

As funny as this has been, sadly, it's kind of how political discussions on political forums tend to deteriorate anyway.
 
would series be better if CBS Paramount named it something else?
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Cyrus said:
This is true :lol:
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and what about leftists who want to bring illegal islamist immigrants into the USA and Europe...did you know Carter, the darling of the left, once had a travel ban on Iran, banning all Islamics, Jews, Christians, Zoroastrian peoples etc
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ichab said:
The naive federation captain who lost her ship and got her crew killed could have easily been any number of Democrats in Washington. ....I'm just doing the devils advocate thing.
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This. In STD:

The Federation - Compromise/ameliorate/placate at their imminent peril.
Klingons - Racial/cultural purity at their imminent peril.

Can't seem to imagine what this is supposed to remind me of... :shrug:
 
20-Backwards said:
This. In STD:

The Federation - Compromise/ameliorate/placate at their imminent peril.
Klingons - Racial/cultural purity at their imminent peril.

Can't seem to imagine what this is supposed to remind me of... :shrug:
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Regardless of any likeness to a human right or a human left in todays political climate it's pretty clear that these tend to be archetypes of many human civilizations throughout history. And I doubt that will change for a while.

My understanding however is that the federation is supposed to be above and beyond.

I don't see the federation as "compromise/ameliorate/placate at their imminent peril" so to speak. I see the federation as simply not shooting first and hoping cooler heads prevail.
 
GeekUSACarl said:
Regardless of any likeness to a human right or a human left in todays political climate it's pretty clear that these tend to be archetypes of many human civilizations throughout history. And I doubt that will change for a while.
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Most certainly, but I'd like to think the allegorical "above and beyond" should apply to TODAYs political climate, both sides. We're all capable of much more than this senseless shaming and pettiness. I'd like to think THAT i̶s̶ will eventually be the underlying message of STD. :)
 
20-Backwards said:
Most certainly, but I'd like to think the allegorical "above and beyond" should apply to TODAYs political climate, both sides. We're all capable of much more than this senseless shaming and pettiness. I'd like to think THAT i̶s̶ will eventually be the underlying message of STD. :)
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DITTO

i'll never hide my liberal leanings but by god the thing I want the most is sincerely for everyone to just stop being so petty. Legislation, change, consensus, all lasts longer when our "leaders" work together.

and STD is in a position, as all star trek installments, to show of a world and a universe of what such a world "could" look like.
 
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