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Everybody gets to have an opinion, it's just if it's not like mine they're wrong.
Really, the only "violation" I can think of is the Holograms, and its only a "Violation" because it was never shown before. Based off the fact they have 100% solid holgrams that you can not tell are holograms, a 100 yeas after this. I do not see it as an issue. Its 2017 people and the show is set in 2256, we better have holograms.
I think the only reason they didn't have holograms in TOS was because they probably didn't even know what a hologram was at that point.
Because, as we know....ALL good sci-fi MUST have holograms.
Some of TOS really falls apart with stuff learned after 1966. Balance of Terror has been trown around so often now, but DNA alone kills that whole story. There is simply no way you could fight a whole war and not have some DNA evidence somewhere.
Well, it seems that people here think that canon does not must to avoid author creativity.
I dont like much of Klingons, I like more of Vulcanians. A new species character is Saru. Series main characters now are Michaele and Saru
I think that the series will soon, in the first season yet, have the addition of new characters.
I dont like much of Klingons, I like more of Vulcanians. A new species character is Saru. Series main characters now are Michaele and Saru
I think that the series will soon, in the first season yet, have the addition of new characters.
I agree with that in principle. I think they stretched a couple of things but the essentials were still there.
What specifically bothered you? The tech? The design? The character styles?
The Klingons are completely wrong. They look wrong (and just plasticy). For a species predicated on action they sure talk a lot and sounded like mush. Their ship designs completely ignore prior Klingon ship designs (which extends to the Starfleet ships). Klingons have always regarded dead bodies as trash but suddenly they pluck every body out of space to inter them?
That's just the Klingons.
The Starfleet tech would've bothered me a whole lot less if they stuck it into the basic Matt Jefferies designs, kinda what they did in the JJVerse. My issues with the JJPrise are more aesthetic than the fact that it's updated for today's viewer (I think the nacelles and their supports look wonky, but that's just me). The bridge design works and makes sense to me. Shenzhou's bridge design just doesn't work. It looks like the bridge off the E-E except somehow a little bigger.
Also, from a design standpoint... Everybody's complaining about the lack of clear rank insignia. They have those stripes on the shoulders already. They could've incorporated the TOS sleeve stripe patterns into that for rank. If they're gonna go with a completely different uniform that makes ZERO sense in canon could we at least make the things they put in functional!
I keep thinking about it more and more and the whole show feels half-assed. It could've been a reboot but they say it isn't. It isn't a reboot but they ignored what already exists. A lot of the story doesn't make sense (how did Burnham kill T'Kuvma with a phaser that was set to stun without making obvious efforts to change that setting?) Why did they bother making parts of the uniform metallic in subtly different colors that get washed out depending on where they're standing in relation to lighting? WTF with the huge warp delta made of footsteps in the sand?
Just so many WTF moments piled on top of each other that I can't recover from one before another one hits me.
Burnham doesn't feel like she has PTSD to me. She feels like she has multiple personality disorder. She flips between this calm, collected Vulcan-like character to a frantic "I HAVE TO SAVE MY CAPTAIN BY KNOCKING HER OUT!!!" character.
And overall it just doesn't feel like Trek. Encounter at Farpoint was cheesy but it felt like Trek. Emissary was clunky but it felt like Trek. The Caretaker was actually pretty decent. Enterprise annoyed me as a whole because they wedged a whole new Enterprise into history but Broken Bow still felt like Trek. This felt like a cross between Babylon 5 and Prison Break.
So, it does not look like a fan film? I get so tired of people upset because it does not look like a campy fan film.
I haven't even seen the episode and I know that these Klingons are not garden variety, but very much a specific sect, all of their own, that are abiding by more ancient traditions associated with Kahless.
With due respect you, have you met individuals with PTSD? Because, I have, and very rarely do they exhibit their symptoms in the exact same way. If there is trauma history for Burnham, then it makes even more sense, since trauma can impact the personality in very unusual ways. Multiple personality (more accurately called now Disociative Identity Disorder) as well as PTSD all function from trauma histories, which, can create a wide variety of personality responses and developments.
If you watch the episode you'll see that all of the Klingons shown, including those of the High Counsel, appear to be the same. This is how they're depicting Klingons on screen. This "specific sect" thing isn't shown on screen, at least not in these two episodes.
Actually, one of my friends works for the army with soldiers suffering from PTSD.
The reason I say it seems like MPD/DID is that she seems to turn on a switch as if her prior thoughts were those of a different person and she acts on different motives. That's the impression I got from the first two episodes.
Yes, it is in fact seen on the show. Those of the council are not dressed like this sect. They all of the new klingon look, just like TNG were all of the then( 2nd or 3rd) new look. But on screen we see each group has its own look and own style.
As you can see, each has their own style. We have seen Kol in full color.
This may not be what you wanted, but Trek has always shown Klingons as one look, except for the silly fanwank retcon in ENT. You have some of the great houses there and non- share a look. They are all ( unsurprisingly) Klingon however.
They aren't allowed to do that.
LOL, yeah they are. They own the IP they can retcon it out just as ENT retconned it in. Trek has retconned all kinds of things and do it every single show.
They maintained what the bits they wanted (TOS), and eliminated what they didn't (TAS, reference books, novels, comics). Now they're maintaining the bits they want (broad strokes TOS events) and are eliminating what they don't (visuals, technology etc)
Nobody stood up and said "Spaceflight Chronology isn't canon!" until they decided to contradict it years later, at which point novels, comics and even early TNG (Data's "class of '78" line) had drawn upon it for years.
When the people in charge say "this stuff counts, but these other bits don't" once, it shouldn't be too surprising when someone else in charge comes along and says it a bit differently, decades later.
If stuff is so unimportant that it can just be cast off on a whim, then what exactly is the point of it being Prime?
It was a stupid retcon to start with. TNG onward also retconned out things. It happens all the time. ENT retconned in a joke, it was a silly joke because fans could not handle Trek laughing at itself. If they want to keep the story, they do not have to keep the look, maybe TNG klingons are the aguments eh?
Edit: This may actually be my new headcanon. TNG are flat headed( as in rounded like a humans and not ovel like a true klingon ) with human like hair..ugh cross breeds lol
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