They changed Starbuck into a female? I thought the last we heard of him, he was stuck on a planet with a cylon.
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They changed Starbuck into a female? I thought the last we heard of him, he was stuck on a planet with a cylon.
No, the last we heard of Starbuck she was some weird angelic creature fading into the mist.
Well, that's great, because none of them are interconnected.
When the main title of a show is "Star Trek" it's automatically a connected universe, whether it's "The Next Generation," "Deep Space Nine," "Voyager," or "Discovery" as the subtitle.
It's not outside material. It's a shared source. Outside material is when the IDW comics crossover with Doctor Who.
I don't know why everybody's so upset with people that just want the show to make sense in the time that they say the show is happening. If this is going to take place in between The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before then you should be able to watch them in order of The Cage, DIS, Where No Man Has Gone Before and not have jarring disparities in how species are represented, ships are designed, and a million other things.
Why is it that the JJVerse gets it 95% right in an alternate timeline and everybody freaks out but DIS gets it totally wrong in the Prime timeline and everybody's OK with that?
Right, but nothing DS9 did contradicted TOS and TNG, at least not on purpose. All the shows made production errors because they're written by fallible humans, but they didn't go and make any wild changes and say "No, this is how it's always been."
TMP DID make a drastic change to the Klingons and just said they always meant for them to be like that, but that was at least understandable due to changes in makeup technology from the late '60s to 1979. And then the Klingons got slight tweaks as makeup technology improved, but they were still the same basic idea. They always had hair on their heads and always had facial hair that reminds me of the usual depictions of Genghis Khan.
Then we got the ENT explanation of Augments which make the various series and movies mesh well with each other. This throws all that meshing together away.
Now they have no hair at all, no ears, lots of extra ridges, and look like they're made out of plastic, with mouthpieces that make all of their lines sound like mush. There's no makeup technology reasons to hide behind. This is deliberate and it bucks what we know.
Well, I would certainly not say JJ got it 95% right. For starters Constitution class ships suddenly being ten times the of the original size (volume) is a deal breaker to me. But yeah, the Kelvinverse uniforms were better.
Separate timeline that was interfered with technologically. If somebody from the future smashed their way through the present day and left information about new technology all over the place wouldn't we use it to improve what we have now?
I don't want to restart this discussion here. Suffice it to say, I find that line of reasoning seriously unconvincing. YMMV.
Maybe I'm weird but I can ignore the visual differences as a product of the times.
I guess my point is that there's visual differences based on production technology and there's visual differences based on design.
If they took the basic napkin drawing designs of TOS and made them today that would be fine. Basic ideas like bridge size and station layout based on conventions of the fictional time didn't need to be changed but they could be made with modern materials and made to look good on today's TVs.
You guys are both basing your "Star Trek doesn't adhere to canon" argument on things that are well over 30 years old, and have since been disregarded. The true move toward continuity and canon didn't really start until TWOK. For more than half of its existence, Star Trek has made a point of upholding canon.
I don't think that's true at all. DS9 premiered in 1993. By that point, we had TNG referencing TOS on numerous occasions (including STVI), appearances by TOS characters, etc... To have DS9 NOT by consistent with this established world would have probably killed the show, given the likely audiences it was going to pull in.
You can play regulation handegg... I mean American football on the Shenzhou's bridge. For a ship that's significantly smaller why is the bridge so darn huge?
I also look at it as a manufacturing/production thing. If you look at cars from a specific manufacturer, a lot of them share the same parts. There's been talk all over TrekBBS about bridge modules. Or the same warp nacelles. Or the framework for the saucer section (like the refit E and Reliant). Wouldn't it make sense for a lot of the ships to accept the same bridge module from a manufacturing point of view? Also, it would make sense for TV production because then you have the same set and redress it for different ships, like they did on all previous shows.
So you're saying that Star Trek disregarded a load of canon in order to build the canon you're unhappy they've now disregarded.
Haven't ever posted here, but long time Star Trek fan.
I agree the bridge is too big. I almost have a hard time seeing the guys in the back or if anybody is coming from the turbolift unless they walk a couple of steps on the bridge.
When the captain came in with the phaser look how far she walked before stopping. Took an eon. If we watch 4k with 100"+ setup than maybe it works.
I'm nitpicking details though.
Fundamentally the show feels dark to me. I'll probably watch it regardless of how it is and it will likely grow on me. Mind you 2 episodes is hardly enough for a conclusion but even the preview for future episodes seems to follow that premise.
Everybody blaming Michael for the war. Overly judgemental federation.
The action scenes. Just chaos. No strategy. No communication between ships.
I'm still interested fo see how it all plays out
.Apologies, just realized this thread is about adhering to canon.
I'm a fan of canon only for familiarity and adding richness to the story with unsaid history behind it.
I'm not too concerned about extreme canon at the cost of a good story.
I always look at cannon like this.
It'd be nice if everything fit neatly together but give me a good show first.
It'd be nice if everything fit neatly together but give me a good show first.
Not at all. First, the source you cite concerning dates was never canon. Second, they actively tried to MAINTAIN the canon of what existed previously (i.e. TOS).
No canon had to be ignored to make this a good story. I think that's what the problem is, in my opinion.
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