Rating for US Premiere

[CardassianAssassin]

Geez, so the premiere episode of Orville beat the premiere of STD?!?

By quite a margin really. As I recall the adjusted numbers for The Orville was 11.3 million and a 3.5 for 18-49. Which means it also attracts a younger audience.

Wow, did not expect that!

 

[CardassianAssassin]

FINAL RATING:
1.9 18-49
9.6 million

From EW: "A special telecast of the series premiere of the first Trek series in more than a decade delivered 9.6 million viewers and a 1.9 rating among adults 18-49, according to CBS’ time zone adjusted nationals. CBS expects the numbers to rise to 15 million viewers and a 3.0 rating when adding seven days of delayed viewing."

So it doesn't really matter since they are operating in completely different models, but Star Trek Discovery did get more viewers than the first episode of Orville, but a lower 18-49 rating. Orville was a 2.7 and 8.6 million. No surprise that the audience for Trek skews older than the Orville.

Nope, the final uprated (SD+3) number for the Orville was 11.3 million viewers, and 3.5 for 18-49.

Not surprising that the Orville attracts a younger audience, as you said, but does the fact that it also attracted more overall viewers surprise you?

 

[NOVE9]

11.3 mil is L+3 ratings, The orville about 1 mil less than discoveries ratings.

Edit; Ninja'd

 

[BillJ]

Not surprising that the Orville attracts a younger audience, as you said, but does the fact that it also attracted more overall viewers surprise you?

I wouldn't be dancing about The Orville numbers quite yet. It had very good lead-ins (the NFL) for its first two outings. Its numbers came down quite a bit on Thursday. It may have beaten Discovery in premiere numbers, but Discovery is likely to have a more consistent viewer base.

 

[Campe]

Geez, so the premiere episode of Orville beat the premiere of STD?!?

By quite a margin really. As I recall the adjusted numbers for The Orville was 11.3 million and a 3.5 for 18-49. Which means it also attracts a younger audience.

Wow, did not expect that!

The rating you’re citing for Orville is the Live+3 rating. Ive only seen the Live+SD numbers for Discovery. Could you provide the link to the Live+3 for Discovery? I don’t think they’re out yet. Should be today.

 

[Campe]

It may haven beaten Discovery in premiere numbers

To be fair, we don't know that just yet, unless you have the Live+3 numbers for Disco.

 

[BillJ]

To be fair, we don't know that just yet, unless you have the Live+3 numbers for Disco.

Which is why it said "may have". But looking again, I worded it a bit clumsily.

 

[CardassianAssassin]

CBS and Netflix will have access to some incredibly detailed data aside from just how many watch the episode. How many times they rewatch it, and exactly who they are.

A shame we will never have access to those numbers, so any discussion on the ratings in the future will be pretty meaningless.

Personally I hope they take a good, hard look at The Orville ratings, dump STD after the first season, and come out with a new, different ST show with a different vibe, since the audience is there.

 

[Campe]

Which is why it said "may have". But looking again, I worded it a bit clumsily.

We all have our moments. The intent in your posts is normally fairly clear. Which is why I responded the way I did.

 

[BillJ]

Personally I hope they take a good, hard look at The Orville ratings, dump STD after the first season, and come out with a new, different ST show with a different vibe, since the audience is there.

That's not going to happen. CBS made an investment, and I have a feeling they are going to stay with it.

 

[Campe]

CBS and Netflix will have access to some incredibly detailed data aside from just how many watch the episode. How many times they rewatch it, and exactly who they are.

A shame we will never have access to those numbers, so any discussion on the ratings in the future will be pretty meaningless.

Personally I hope they take a good, hard look at The Orville ratings, dump STD after the first season, and come out with a new, different ST show with a different vibe, since the audience is there.

I think you need to wait for the release of the final, final ratings for Disco's premiere, and take a look at how Orville's audience took a huge hit last week and continue to watch that number before you make declarations like that. Plus, as you suggested, continuing conversations regarding a ratings comparison is meaningless as we'll likely never know what Disco gets ratings-wise after TVH.

 

[Trajet]

Lest we forget, The Orville has lost over 50% of its live premiere audience by the third episode. Even Enterprise hadn't managed that until the end of its first season. It's the dictionary definition of a flop.

 

[Campe]

Lest we forget, The Orville has lost over 50% of its live premiere audience by the third episode. Even Enterprise hadn't managed that until the end of its first season. It's the dictionary definition of a flop.

It's not good, but I think that calling it a flop is a little premature at this point. The show moved nights. Its possible that audiences missed the advertising suggesting it was happening. I think we need to wait to see this week's episode's ratings to see if losing football as a lead-in is as big of a loss as it is.

 

[MvRojo]

Geez, so the premiere episode of Orville beat the premiere of STD?!?

By quite a margin really. As I recall the adjusted numbers for The Orville was 11.3 million and a 3.5 for 18-49. Which means it also attracts a younger audience.

Wow, did not expect that!

Nope, the final uprated (SD+3) number for the Orville was 11.3 million viewers, and 3.5 for 18-49.

Not surprising that the Orville attracts a younger audience, as you said, but does the fact that it also attracted more overall viewers surprise you?

You even state that the Orville's rating is the Live +3 numbers. It hasn't even been three days since the premiere of Discovery. Why are you comparing the Live +SD for Discovery to the Live +3 for Orville?

 

[MvRojo]

As for the Rottentomatoes score, here are the audience scores for all the series

TOS - 86%
TNG - 76%
DS9 - 71%
VOY - 68%
ENT - 75%
DSC - 65%

 

[Trajet]

As for the Rottentomatoes score, here are the audience scores for all the series

TOS - 86%
TNG - 76%
DS9 - 71%
VOY - 68%
ENT - 75%
DSC - 65%

So, butthurt Star Trek fans are giving Discovery bad reviews. What else is new? There's no way anyone can watch The Vulcan Hello/Battle at the Binary Stars and find them objectively inferior to Encounter at Farpoint.

 

[JamesRye]

As for the Rottentomatoes score, here are the audience scores for all the series

TOS - 86%
TNG - 76%
DS9 - 71%
VOY - 68%
ENT - 75%
DSC - 65%

I can see that DSC's score is based on 1676 reviews - so not many people! Also, I can find no information on how many people the scores are based on for the other series (is it smaller if they dont say how many people the score is calculated from?)

IMDB has a greater number of voters for DSC:
7.6/10 based on 7045 votes

Enterprise only has 1162 voters and averages an 8.2
TNG 9.1 based on 2257 votes
DS9 8.2 based on 691 votes

BUT, these are tiny numbers!

Compare this to Star Trek Beyond, which has 73,311 votes on Rotten Tomatoes and you see the issue. Here, we have a large sample size, so outliers have less influence on the result.

At the moment, I would say there is insufficient data to be drawing any conclusions.

I have read with amusement people arguing that The Orville has been better received by the audience at large than DSC - based on the RT audience scores. Conveniently ignoring the critics scores, which are lamentable. The point is that without knowing the number of people that voted, you cannot draw a comparison. Those who love or hate something are far more likely to vote early on.

 

[Fateor]

I have read with amusement people arguing that The Orville has been better received by the audience at large than DSC - based on the RT audience scores. Conveniently ignoring the critics scores, which are lamentable. The point is that without knowing the number of people that voted, you cannot draw a comparison. Those who love or hate something are far more likely to vote early on.

Because critic opinions are meaningless.

 

[Noname Given]

CBS and Netflix will have access to some incredibly detailed data aside from just how many watch the episode. How many times they rewatch it, and exactly who they are.

A shame we will never have access to those numbers, so any discussion on the ratings in the future will be pretty meaningless.

Personally I hope they take a good, hard look at The Orville ratings, dump STD after the first season, and come out with a new, different ST show with a different vibe, since the audience is there.

^^^
The Orville has a couple of things going for it:
1) Seth McFarlane has his own fan base that will watch something because he made it.

2) The Orville itself may be 'Star Trek-like' but it' NOT 'Star Trek'. If The Orville had 50+ years of continuity tied to it, it might have similar complaints made against it by fans who obsess in that kind of thing.

If I had a dollar for every comment of: "This 'New' Star Trek sucks...if they just make the changes I suggest, Star Trek would again be loved by EVERY Star Trek fan..." after the premiere of a new Star Trek incarnation, I could probably afford to pony up the cash to pay for the production of an actual 'official' Star Trek episode.

 

[Cyrus]

here are the IMDB user ratings:
TOS: 8.4
TNG: 8.6
DS9: 7.9
VOY: 7.7
ENT: 7.5
DSC: 7.3
Orville: 7.5

Number of voters for the last 2 is still pretty low.