Poll Do You Believe STD Is Actually a Reboot [After Seeing It]?
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"Yes, Voyager affirmed that."
There, much better.
Yes, it's a reboot. It's as much a prequel to TOS as Gotham is to the Tim Burton Batman movies. You know roughly where it's all gonna end, although the details won't be the same. But that's okay!
If they're the same continuity, please explain why the worn-out and old USS Shenzhou can summon holograms (and forcefields) anywhere on the ship, but the state-of-the-art USS Voyager over 100 years later only has holographic emitters in sickbay? Not even the Kelvin Timeline had that! Why Starfleet use the split delta insignia when in TOS' world, the Enterprise's arrowhead was one of several insignia in use? It's common sense stuff. It's a new take on the Star Trek universe. And that's allowed.
If they're the same continuity, please explain why the worn-out and old USS Shenzhou can summon holograms (and forcefields) anywhere on the ship, but the state-of-the-art USS Voyager over 100 years later only has holographic emitters in sickbay? Not even the Kelvin Timeline had that! Why Starfleet use the split delta insignia when in TOS' world, the Enterprise's arrowhead was one of several insignia in use? It's common sense stuff. It's a new take on the Star Trek universe. And that's allowed.
I voted no, but only because there was nothing about this so far that necessarily makes it a reboot (and I'm using reboot to mean "taking place in a separate fictional universe with separate continuity").
So without information to the contrary, I will need to go with the producers' (seeming) intent for this to be a prequel to TOS taking place in the same TV universe as TOS.
That's not to say that something or some event might come along later that would make it a reboot.
So without information to the contrary, I will need to go with the producers' (seeming) intent for this to be a prequel to TOS taking place in the same TV universe as TOS.
That's not to say that something or some event might come along later that would make it a reboot.
We made a much bigger deal of it than they did, in fairness. Fuller made a passing comment about it in the August press conference and then because the fans wouldn't let it drop it kept coming up after that. If we hadn't obsessed so much over it I don't think the producers would have mentioned it again. It's a prequel made 50 years later, what was anyone expecting?
I think it's a reboot, but it makes no difference to me if it is or it isn't. All I want is a good Star Trek show, and this hasn't fit the bill so far. But I'm not going to give up this soon. It's not going to break me to keep paying $10 a month for a bit to make sure of my opinion.
Well, it's a prequel made half a century after the original.
Think about that. There's no earthly reason to believe that a show consistent in every important detail with fifty year-old TV would be viable for any audience other than determined aficionados.
There have been huge changes in both TV and commercial movie techniques in the last fifty years, but the changes in TV have been much great than those in film. So the inevitable Star Wars comparisons are not very good ones.
All that being said...narratively, there's no way that Discovery blends at all well with the world created in TOS that supposedly is ten years in its future. Granted, it really can't. And it really, really doesn't.
Think about that. There's no earthly reason to believe that a show consistent in every important detail with fifty year-old TV would be viable for any audience other than determined aficionados.
There have been huge changes in both TV and commercial movie techniques in the last fifty years, but the changes in TV have been much great than those in film. So the inevitable Star Wars comparisons are not very good ones.
All that being said...narratively, there's no way that Discovery blends at all well with the world created in TOS that supposedly is ten years in its future. Granted, it really can't. And it really, really doesn't.
They’re in the same story continuity, the lore. They’re not going to contradict TOS or the previous series in story, all that has changed is the visuals
You can make the same argument in reverse though.
Unless say George Kirk shows up there is really nothing that makes this in line with the "prime universe". Granted the producers have said that it takes place in the PT but without anything really tying it to it they might as well be in the KT or some other timeline entirely.
I'm not sure I see why not. Starfleet is basically the same, paramilitary exploratory organisation which sends out starships to meet new aliens, run errands, ferry ambassadors, etc. All the stuff we saw going on in TOS. The crew setup is very similar, what we've seen of Lorca strikes me as a reasonable forerunner to Kirk. There's a bit of the frontier vibe that TNG never quite managed or indeed seemed to want. There's not the safely established
They've already contradicted Voyager and Deep Space Nine by having holographic communications anywhere on the ship on a Starfleet vessel in 2256. Why doesn't Voyager have that ability? The Doctor would have been a lot more useful pre-portable emitter. O'Brien looks rather foolish saying the Defiant's holographic communicator was new when it's an old, mysteriously discarded technology. This goes way beyond visuals.
Nope.
Also if you pay attention it is a lot more primitive then the holograms they have in TNG onwards
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Having said that, I'm only talking about my impressions of the first episodes in regards to "reboot or not". There was nothing in the first episodes that screams "this is a reboot".
Everything I saw could be part of the existing TOS universe, so if they do eventually have -- say, for example -- Spock show up and he's one of Pike's Enterprise crew, that would reinforce the idea even further (not that I want or need Spock to show up), or if we later meet/hear about Captain Garrovick commanding the Farragut.
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No. It doesn't come close to feeling like the time period it is supposed to portray. Times change, as do societal values and culture. And this is supposed to be Prime, yet doesn't even line up with the timeline.
The Superfans fumbled the ball and kicked it across the field. Their best bet would have simply been to say it is "Star Trek" and let the chips fall where they may.
If you think about it, Burnham is very much under alien influence. The Klingons killing her parents and Sarek.
Where did they say the Eugenics Wars weren't going on? We only see LA. And Rain Robinson has a model of a DY-100 on her desk at the observatory.
Why? Because they flutter a little bit? Holographic Sarek even leans on Burnham's desk.
The Superfans fumbled the ball and kicked it across the field. Their best bet would have simply been to say it is "Star Trek" and let the chips fall where they may.
If you think about it, Burnham is very much under alien influence. The Klingons killing her parents and Sarek.
Where did they say the Eugenics Wars weren't going on? We only see LA. And Rain Robinson has a model of a DY-100 on her desk at the observatory.
Why? Because they flutter a little bit? Holographic Sarek even leans on Burnham's desk.
I say no. Storywise it's prime.
Visually and tech wise, it's going to be a reboot to many. Though the only tech that I noticed that was out of "prime" would be the holo communicators and the GoPro on Michael's space suit.
But you could argue in both of these cases, that the tech was there just not implemented in such a fashion. TAS already mentions they have holo technology in their rec room. And I know Geordi used a camcorder on one of their away missions. But it always bothered me even as a kid in the 80's that they never used one for all of their away missions.
Visually and tech wise, it's going to be a reboot to many. Though the only tech that I noticed that was out of "prime" would be the holo communicators and the GoPro on Michael's space suit.
But you could argue in both of these cases, that the tech was there just not implemented in such a fashion. TAS already mentions they have holo technology in their rec room. And I know Geordi used a camcorder on one of their away missions. But it always bothered me even as a kid in the 80's that they never used one for all of their away missions.
Well, I grew up in the era immediately following World War II.
Given what's already been said about the progress of the war, I don't buy this world for a moment as a less-than-a-decade precursor to the adventures of Kirk and Spock. As a single example, too much was said about each of their backstories and times of service for them to have been veterans of a conflict like this.
You can stretch the point if you want by close analysis of TOS dialogue and playing "gotcha" (for instance, I imagine that in the long list of Kirk's medals recited in "Court Martial," there's an unidentified award that could be construed to refer to a wartime citation of some kind) - and I'm sure Goldsman will be deeply involved in that PR effort before too long - but this doesn't walk or quack like a duck.
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