This episode was OK. As noted by others, it was TNG at its hamfisted, preachy worst. I still enjoyed it as if I found out an old TNG that I had somehow missed. But, a definite step down from last week. On the good side, I think the humor is working better, like last week.
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That was a good social commentary episode. I wasn’t sure if I was going to like it at first but as it went on I was really interested in where it was going. I do wonder if it was too early to do that kind of episode though. It might turn people off.
By the way I didn’t get a sins of the father vibe at all. The closest might have been maybe Outcast or The Host.
By the way I didn’t get a sins of the father vibe at all. The closest might have been maybe Outcast or The Host.
No, Palicki should
What a glorious disaster so far--I'm a fan, it's can't miss for however long it lasts, but:
Discovery need not worry, if done reasonably well.
Discovery need not worry, if done reasonably well.
Are these episode airing out of order? Someone mentioned that earlier? I mean this week obviously follows last week, but how much of an arc are they trying to do here?
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I'm waiting on FOX to unlock it over on their website so I can watch it. Usually it unlocks the episode at midnight so anyone can watch. It's 1:45 AM and still unavailable for viewing.
So you’re hate watching the show?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orville#Episodes
Next week is what was supposed to be the second episode. Only 6 episode titles have been revealed, but Wikipedia knows who is directing the 7 untitled/unidentified episodes, which might stay in production order, or may not.
That felt like a TNG episode. I don't think Discovery has much to worry about.
I really liked the episode, especially the fact that Rudolph convinced Bortus to change his mind. I don't think it was better or worse than the previous two - I think they've all been around the same level, although this one was definitely more serious and less funny.
My main problem with this story was just that there wasn't any sense whatsoever of why the Moclans believe what they believe outside of dumb cliches - all of which was undermined by the fact that Moclan gender norms can't possibly be just a simple stand in for human norms, because the Moclans actually have a functioning society with only males. So it constantly begs the question - why do females exist at all? Is there some special function they serve that Moclan society is missing out on? Is this all the ultimate result of an age-old deliberate campaign of misogynism (engineering males so that females become unnecessary)? Is it just a persistent mutation that has no bearing on anything else (but then, why would it even be labeled 'female' at all)?
With a little bit more depth in the dilemma it would've been a fantastic episode. As is, it too often fell into generic arguments that were rather laughably oversimplified ('This genius pilot is an idiot', 'this female of a completely different species is stronger than you', etc) But it was still enjoyable and a touching character story, at least.
Also, for a ship so obsessed with 20/21st cen. pop culture, the Orville's board game collection is total crap.
Well, zoos may very well be on the way out. There's been lots of controversy over them over the past few decades, and it only seems to be increasing with time. A lot of them are desperately trying to reinvent what it means to be a zoo to give themselves a better position. Boxing, I don't know - martial sports have been around forever, even though some social movements have actively tried to destroy them in the past. But, yeah, in a tng style 'everyone is friendly' future world, they wouldn't really fit in anymore.
It's the circumcision part that kind of confuses me - of all these things, it seems to me that that's the one getting by far the most flack today, and the one with the least amount of pushback, so in fact most likely to disappear.
My main problem with this story was just that there wasn't any sense whatsoever of why the Moclans believe what they believe outside of dumb cliches - all of which was undermined by the fact that Moclan gender norms can't possibly be just a simple stand in for human norms, because the Moclans actually have a functioning society with only males. So it constantly begs the question - why do females exist at all? Is there some special function they serve that Moclan society is missing out on? Is this all the ultimate result of an age-old deliberate campaign of misogynism (engineering males so that females become unnecessary)? Is it just a persistent mutation that has no bearing on anything else (but then, why would it even be labeled 'female' at all)?
With a little bit more depth in the dilemma it would've been a fantastic episode. As is, it too often fell into generic arguments that were rather laughably oversimplified ('This genius pilot is an idiot', 'this female of a completely different species is stronger than you', etc) But it was still enjoyable and a touching character story, at least.
Also, for a ship so obsessed with 20/21st cen. pop culture, the Orville's board game collection is total crap.
Well, zoos may very well be on the way out. There's been lots of controversy over them over the past few decades, and it only seems to be increasing with time. A lot of them are desperately trying to reinvent what it means to be a zoo to give themselves a better position. Boxing, I don't know - martial sports have been around forever, even though some social movements have actively tried to destroy them in the past. But, yeah, in a tng style 'everyone is friendly' future world, they wouldn't really fit in anymore.
It's the circumcision part that kind of confuses me - of all these things, it seems to me that that's the one getting by far the most flack today, and the one with the least amount of pushback, so in fact most likely to disappear.
Zoos have been around for thousands of years. They are not going anywhere, especially in light of the fact that these facilities might be the only thing keeping some animals from going extinct. The best zoos are transforming into a place where animals can live in habitats made for them which reflect the ecosystems from whence they came.
And, I do not see boxing going anywhere soon, either. This sport has been around just as long as zoos. It might, as well, transform.
I learn recently that jousting is making a comeback. Who would have thought a medieval sport rooted in the knight culture would make a comeback centuries later? That there is a movement to make this an Olympic sport? Unbelievable.
And, I do not see boxing going anywhere soon, either. This sport has been around just as long as zoos. It might, as well, transform.
I learn recently that jousting is making a comeback. Who would have thought a medieval sport rooted in the knight culture would make a comeback centuries later? That there is a movement to make this an Olympic sport? Unbelievable.
I liked the episode. It really did feel like a TNG episode and I liked they didn't got for the happy ending though I don't like that Bortus seemed to fall in line so fast. I hope this actually is something they follow up with in future episodes and I do hope the baby is somhow restored as a female in some way. Most of tthe humor work and the only joke that felt like it was done at a time when it shouldn't be done is the Monopoly joke though I kind of like the joke.
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He's gonna fix their little red wagon by watching the show, then complaining about it. Its a revolution.
Most human foibles gave been around since we began, but TNG claimed we'd fix them in the next 400 years.
This wasn't like a "bad TNG episode;" it was like a representative TNG issue episode.
Still looking forward a lot more to the next Orville episode than to Discovery.
This wasn't like a "bad TNG episode;" it was like a representative TNG issue episode.
Still looking forward a lot more to the next Orville episode than to Discovery.
Or Riker being assigned unwillingly to prosecute Data in a different episode?
You're mapping minor, common Trek tropes. These were completely different stories.
I thought it was OK. Very Trek like story.
When the moclan lawyer asked the captain about his penis in the middle of the trial it made me laugh. That part wasn't TNG at all.
Braga directed this one. Is this his first directorial job? Congrats to him.
Brannon Braga directed 1 or 2 episodes of SALEM, a show he did that lasted 3 seasons.
It was the intended airing order though. Fox didn't screw around there. The critics also so those three episodes before. They likely just decided during production that the next episode is better as a 4th episode than a 2nd.
Well, yes.
Maybe it was Seth's decision, but when episode 4 (airdate) airs, even if it's a completely seamless patch, everything in that story will reflect that Bortus is not yet pregnant, and he has no idea that his husband is trans, and you can never change that fact, because [Guinin in Yesterday's Enterprise]it's not supposed to be there [/Guinin in Yesterday's Enterprise].
Maybe it was Seth's decision, but when episode 4 (airdate) airs, even if it's a completely seamless patch, everything in that story will reflect that Bortus is not yet pregnant, and he has no idea that his husband is trans, and you can never change that fact, because [Guinin in Yesterday's Enterprise]it's not supposed to be there [/Guinin in Yesterday's Enterprise].