But let me ask you this: Why are you so willing to rationalize something from "The Cage" (or any other episode with a similar inconsistency) for TOS; and not give ST: D the same courtesy?
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What about for Bennie? It was both television and real?
Is it really inconsistent though? We honestly don't know if the two warp factors are even the same? It is two different terminologies.
Of course, in the real world they are the same thing. But, in universe, it is pretty easy to explain away as we never go back to "time warp factor".
If DIS doesn't manage to boost the numbers of CBS:AA significantly, then it's dead in the water. ENT was cancelled with a lot more viewers (~3 mio. in it's final season) and a less competetive market, and it cost WAY less per episode. And those few aren't paying Netflix-money to CBS, that's way they need advertising also. DIS doesn't need to only make worth it's own costs (which are significant), but it's there to finance the whole infrastrucutre of All Access and pay for a few other new series to lure more subscribers in.
It doesn't necessarily have to turn a profit since they want to grow the CBSAA brand. You know that Netflix isn't profitable by a LONG shot right?
Considering they altered the "official" warp scala between TOS and TNG (to make it "faster"), that's probably exactly what they did!
Maybe the new Excelsior-Transwarp drive was the new "Warp 1"
Considering they altered the "official" warp scala between TOS and TNG (to make it "faster"), that's probably exactly what they did!
Maybe the new Excelsior-Transwarp drive was the new "Warp 1"
TNG was a differetn ship so makes sense it might have a different scale. But the same ship it seems wierd if it went (using as an example) mps to kps.
Netflix isn't profitable because it pours in BILLIONS for content! Seriously, it's like 2 bio.(!!!), aka 2.000 mio., this year for new movies, series and such. It's still able to get money at the market simply because it has so fucking many viewers.
If CBS.All Access doesn't gain a whole lot of new viewers in the wake of Discovery, they're not going to be able to finance themselves at the stock market. Soon. And they're deep in the reds because they needed to build this whole infrastructure in the first place.
CBS is making a big investment in Star Trek for eventual growth. I can see a 500k viewer increase but with Discovery in the coming months, but we definitely have to look at the metrics differently than number of viewers. It’s a very different world than when Enterprise was on the air.
Right they pump that money in to build the brand and the content and are willing to take a loss short term to do it. That is what CBSAA wants to do too so yeah they will take a short term hit money wise for longer term profit.
Yup. That's right what they did. And the loss is already bigger than anticipated, because of the shuffle in the creative team, the year-long delays, and probably compensation to Neflix for not delivering their product on time. The risk is, if not many people turn out to watch Discovery, they'll know they never will get those "longterm profits". And if many people at the market suspect that, they won't be able to borrow new money, and thus not able to service their debts really fast.
Indeed! This is such a new endevuer, we honestly have no clue what will be "enough" or "too little". It might be we suspect it to be a big success and CBS:AA goes bancrupt anyways. Or it might drift with few viewers, but still be able to make enough money to live for years.
We just don't know! Exciting times
I am. I'm just basing my statements off observations of the trailers. Maybe, they'll have some good explanations. Maybe that's not really a tribble, maybe its just a similarly shaped species.
But if it's like Enterprise where every time they show the exterior of the ship I'm shouting, "that's not what the ship looks like," then I'll probably bow out.
4 million combined for CAA and Showtime by the end of this year.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/cps-all-access-showtime-4-million-subscribers-1202518063/
So sounds like it's going well so far, before Discovery has even launched.
...then you'll probably bow out.
Indeed! This is such a new endevuer, we honestly have no clue what will be "enough" or "too little". It might be we suspect it to be a big success and CBS:AA goes bancrupt anyways. Or it might drift with few viewers, but still be able to make enough money to live for years.
We just don't know! Exciting times
It is!
I imagine, first, we’ll never know exactly what metrics CBS is looking for for Discovery to be a success, and second, they’re going to give it a little leeway, taking this new service’s growing pains into account. This, despite so much of the anti-Disco crowd’s rhetoric likely won’t be a one and done. I think a second season, while not an absolute certainty, is more likely than not.
I look at Trek as a collection of malleable and rigid items. "Time Warp Factor" - malleable. "NCC-1701" - rigid. The writers didn't think that having the word "time" wouldn't be a good idea. I also factor in things like - were the writers still working things out? Did they have someone checking consistency? That's like the "United Earth Space Probe Agency" line instead of just "Starfleet".
This is why nitpicking irks me - real people work on this show, and people make mistakes. Also, all TV shows go through a period where they're still working things out. Like SPOCK YELLING in Corbomite Maneuver, or smiling in "The Cage".
So when someone thumps a script (figuratively) and says, "But they said time warp factor in The Cage", I just roll my eyes. It would be nice to go back and fix some of these things, but you can't. So, you just let it go.
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I think that's speculation on your part. It was in the best interest for all the partners involved to be able to put the best finished product they could forward. My point is: I'm sure all the delays were explained to and agreed to by the production partners involved because as it's a streaming show - they could release it any time during the year.
By comparison - the run up to the premiere of TNG and the overall behind the scenes production of TNG's first season was WAY MORE of a nightmare then ST: D's. There was a lot of infighting between the production staff and GR's lawyer (who was sometimes making production decisions and passing them off as 'from GR' when in fact he had never spoken to GR about it.
They also got to a point where they were out of prepared/full finished scripts to shoot and were writing as they were filming (not just minor dialog tweaks; they started filming what they had and hoped they have the rest of the script done before they ran out of stuff to shoot.)
Right now, I believe most (if not all) of the ST: D principal photography for the first season is done; and if they wanted to - they have 10 of the 15 episodes completed (IE ready to show.) And remember they are taking a release break I believe in November, and resume in January, 2018; so they really don't appear to be in any sort of post production 'time-crunch' for the remaining episodes.
The pilot and early episode of a series are basically a rough draft of what the show will end up being by the end, and very, very few writers ever go back to a rough draft. By the time we get to a position where a prequel is a possibility there will have been way to much history, and to many changes for them to go back to that rough draft.
I like it too.
I would love to see Discovery give Chris Hadfield a cameo. Neil Degrasse Tyson would be pretty high up on that list too.
I think in this situation you're approaching this very differently then the people actually making the shows do.
Would they at least use stuff introduced later in the show, but it established had already been around for while?
[/quote]But considering you can't accept the Animated Series because of the literal reality of the cartoon presentation,[/quote]
You're really not supposed to take all of this that literally. Just because something is presented to us in animated form doesn't mean that it was meant to be animated in universe too. That thought honestly never occurred to me, when I watch an animated show or movie I always imagine that in universe it's all live action.
I think this is part of the problem with the prequel discussion too, you can't always take every second of what we see on screen literally. Sometimes it's best to just pretend that some things never happened and move on.
Why? A show on a over the air network, is pretty much guaranteed to get more viewers than a show on a new streaming service. Unless The Orville ends up totally bombing as it goes on, it's almost guaranteed to get more viewers than Discovery will on CBSAA.
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