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News Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville

gblews said:
Okay, this is a bit ridiculous. Every iteration of Trek on TV has had tons of "human conflict" in every season of every show, regardless if you felt it was well written or well acted.

TNG had episodes like The Pegusus and The Drumhead, all of the conflicts between Janeway and Seven, Janeway and Chakotay on VOY were human conflicts. DS9 had lots and so did ENT. In fact ENT's season ending arc was one of the best human conflict stories I'v seen in Trek.

I understand that some people think there is some type of competition between the Trek and Orville, but there really isn't. So lets not get silly with the comparisons.
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All the examples you cited were after Roddenberry died, BTW. TOS had decent interpersonal conflict because it was before he went all funny in the head.
 
Teelie said:
Chakotay is right but it was also again brushed aside quickly and practically gone by season two after the Maquis had acclimated with the crew. From there on it was more disagreement than conflict much of the time.
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Voyager was a nice setup for a lot of conflict and the challenge to maintain the Starfleet ideals under overwhelming conditions. However, setup was all it was and was quickly discarded. I first joined TBBS to discuss Voyager and was surprised at the time how many of the fans just had no interest in that kind of thing so maybe times have changed a bit.
 
"My mission was to hunt you down and capture you. Let's be friends."

Even if they wanted to show the crews coming together under difficult and unique circumstances, it didn't have to happen over night.
 
I've gotten a bit off track here. The Orville is what I want Star Trek to be again, Discovery is what I'm concerned will be the end of the line for another decade or more if they go down this path.
 
Teelie said:
Much of those conflicts came in later. In Voyager, yes often with caveats. The conflict with Janeway is Seven was (and to some extent in their eyes, still) a Borg and grew up as one from early childhood. She can be arguably seen as less than human which is ironically a deeper level of conflict there but still not entirely two humans who have a conflict over how to coexist. One is a person who grew up as a person. The other grew up in an alien collective of minds with virtually no individual personality.

So despite my saying Trek avoided human conflict it doesn't mean it never happened, it just came up in the context of what was needed then dropped almost immediately after it was concluded for the storyline. Orville is going to have an ongoing problem between at least two humans for more than an episode.
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The post to which I responded stated that Trek had no human conflict and that they always used aliens in conflict in place of humans. Obviously, by your post above, you realize that you were dead wrong about this assertion.

Now, as per internet protocol, you're attempting to alter your original statement to one that is more easily defended in order to now seem 'not as wrong'.

Nothing wrong with loving The Orville, but there's no need to make up stuff about Trek in order to make Orville look better.
 
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Teelie said:
I've gotten a bit off track here. The Orville is what I want Star Trek to be again, Discovery is what I'm concerned will be the end of the line for another decade or more if they go down this path.
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Problem is I don't think "Orville" can be duplicated. It's basically a love letter to a style that is no longer relevant. That might work once but you can't do it over and over. Especially when you have to consider that some of the more modern humor is proably what is making it work. Even this show knows you can fully embrace TNG at 100%.

Jason
 
Orville is the "love letter to Trek fans" in exactly the precise way that "These Are the Voyages" was not. Seems that at least Braga got the picture.
 
I liked the first episode, but I wouldn't want this to be the new Star Trek. Discovery looks to be superior in a lot of ways and my level of anticipation for Discovery doesn't compare to my expectations for Orville.
 
Guy Gardener said:
Superior?

They're Just different.
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Exactly so.

Discovery doesn't look "superior" to me, thus far. It looks vastly more expensive and more solemn.

Per Gene Roddenberry's edict, there was no significant conflict among the continuing characters of TNG, because they were all Starfleet officers and mostly human beings and we've long since learned to identify and "fix" people who are socially difficult.

The very opening scene of The Orville, with Mercer living his Starflleet life in a Jetsons future and walking in on his wife boning a blue alien is McFarlane putting down a marker. Everything pretty much follows from that. :lol:
 
There's going to be a time travel/alt time line/sliding doors episode where Mercer avoids finding out about the wife fooling around... And everything goes horribly wrong.

Actually it'll be a dream machine powered by a statistical engine, but that's 2 months away, so never mind.
 
Just realized I won't see today's episode tonight because of the Emmy's. Normally, I wouldn't care but Stephen Colbert is the host, so I "have" to watch.
 
M said:
I liked the first episode, but I wouldn't want this to be the new Star Trek. Discovery looks to be superior in a lot of ways and my level of anticipation for Discovery doesn't compare to my expectations for Orville.
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They way I see it is that it would look silly if "Orville" was trying to do it's thing with the look of "Discovery" and vice versa. Each show I think represents the look of the type of show they are wanting to be.

Jason
 
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