News Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville

[Jayson1]

Worf in season 1 was basically a "cool concept" in that you had a Klingon in starfleet, when they had in the past, and still were in the "TOS" movies still seen by everyone as villians. He didn't become a character until he got put in charge of security and then he became the comic relief and the guy to spout the wrong opinion so the more progressive human could point out the the correct opinion. Except in episodes were he was the main focus and then he was a honorable solider who never bended his ethics even if his idea of what it meant to be a Klingon didn't match up with how they were in reality.

Jason

 

[Skipper]

So, he was just hanging around on the bridge..?

 

[Jayson1]

So, he was just hanging around on the bridge..?

Basically that's what it felt like. I mean he would sometimes get dialogue of course and even got a episode but he didn't feel all that important for the most part. He didn't even really have a job. He just stood in the background a great deal and once in awhile fill in for someone like Data if he was off the bridge.

Jason

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I was wondering how long it would be before someone said that.

You know what, though? I don't care.

You know what? I don't care either. Alara will still be a lot of fun.

Who knows, she might turn out to be a magical species, like an Elf. She's already demonstrated the ability to make her eyebrows appear and disappear.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

She's already demonstrated the ability to make her eyebrows appear and disappear.

About that. Did that actually happen in the final aired episode (if so, does anybody have two scenes for comparison), or is it just different versions of the makeup at different stages of production?

 

[Skipper]

Basically that's what it felt like. I mean he would sometimes get dialogue of course and even got a episode but he didn't feel all that important for the most part. He didn't even really have a job. He just stood in the background a great deal and once in awhile fill in for someone like Data if he was off the bridge.

Jason

It seems almost like an internship or similar...

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

About that. Did that actually happen in the final aired episode (if so, does anybody have two scenes for comparison), or is it just different versions of the makeup at different stages of production?

Probably only the latter. There have been photos of her with the eyebrows, one photo I mentioned earlier is so photoshopped, it looks like a different person altogether.

This photo too.

 

[Jayson1]

It seems almost like an internship or similar...

Actually Worf has a line that sort of fits that description. It's in the episode with the energy alien switching bodies. The scene starts with WOrf and Geordi in some computer room pushing buttons doing some computer work of some kind and he says something about how the captain wants the junior officers to "learn,learn,learn" or something to that effect and then Geordi says "Not just the junior officers. and then Worf gets shocked and taken over by the alien but he doesn't even get to play the alien because it switches to Crusher in the sickbay. I think his biggest contribution is talking about how he doesn't remember loosing his memories.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

I just figured out another conspiracy. The ex-wife is caught in bed with a blue alien. Everyone knows about how blue "Discovery" is with the uniforms and look. This was a clear attempt to stick it to "Discovery." In this show the sexy first officer chooses Orville and Seth Macfarlane over the blue alien who is a methphor for "Discovery." How have we not noticed this so far?

Jason

 

[Marc]

So, he was just hanging around on the bridge..?

for the first part yes.

Original Worf was going to be little more then a constumed extra and probably wouldn't have amounted to much more if Crosby hasn't exited stage black puddle.

 

[Mudd]

Worf was a late addition but had a lot of good stuff to do from the outset in "Encounter At Farpoint." Of course, he had one episode centered entirely on him, "Heart Of Glory."

He was never a "costumed extra" or anything like it. These words have specific meanings.

 

[The Wormhole]

What was Worf's job in the first season of TNG?

IIRC, it's since been retconned that he was the OOD, Officer of the Deck. Basically, he was responsible for and in charge of the bridge, and if Picard or Riker had a problem with how the bridge was run, they'd take it to him. Ironically the only time Star Trek had such a role on the show it was the result of trying to fit in a late addition to the cast.

 

[Matthew Raymond]

Dark Matter?

Has been cancelled.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

[J.T.B.]

Second mate is a position. Third mate is as well, even 4th mate in some cases. You can say second or third officer as well. That's in the deck department. In engineering, you can have second engineer, 3rd engineer.

"Second officer" on a merchant ship is part of a relatively simple hierarchy of officers who handle the navigation and supervise the "above deck" work, and provide duty coverage around the clock. There are generally two other unrelated hierarchies: engineering and the purser's or "hotel" staff. On a warship things are much more complex, there are more crewmembers in more hierarchies than just navigation and engineers: Weapons, ops/sensors/communications, supply, administrative etc. On a US warship, the XO is the obvious "first officer," but the "second officer" may be the chief engineer or the ops boss or the navigator, it's whoever is the next-most-senior line officer.

They're not doing parodies of Trek characters.

No but I think there are intentional points of reference to known characters so they can subvert viewers' expectations. And I should hope so, because that's funny.

 

[The Wormhole]

I am wondering, given the Orville is meant to be a mid-level cruiser and its crew just ordinary folk, if there's ever going to be an episode where they run into a heavy cruiser or even, dare I suggest it, the flagship? I imagine they could have all kinds of on the spot Trek parodies there, maybe even get a Trek actor to guest star, like Frakes as the captain?

 

[Sophie74656]

I am wondering, given the Orville is meant to be a mid-level cruiser and its crew just ordinary folk, if there's ever going to be an episode where they run into a heavy cruiser or even, dare I suggest it, the flagship? I imagine they could have all kinds of on the spot Trek parodies there, maybe even get a Trek actor to guest star, like Frakes as the captain?

If they run into the flagship it HAS to be Patrick Stewart!

 

[Skipper]

if anyone feels to collaborate there is an Orville Wiki

 

[CardassianAssassin]

I just figured out another conspiracy. The ex-wife is caught in bed with a blue alien. Everyone knows about how blue "Discovery" is with the uniforms and look. This was a clear attempt to stick it to "Discovery." In this show the sexy first officer chooses Orville and Seth Macfarlane over the blue alien who is a methphor for "Discovery." How have we not noticed this so far?

Jason

LOLWUT?!?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

If they run into the flagship it HAS to be Patrick Stewart!

And if anybody can get Patrick for a guest spot, it's Seth.

 

[Ometiklan]

A lot of this is about Discovery, but...

It was if you watched much on TV at the time other than Star Trek...Everything except the guy with the pointed ears and the name of the ship.

Well, I was hoping for some actual discussion, but whatever. Yeah, maybe DS9 wasn't some production like David Lynch would throw out, but it wasn't bland.

I don't think there's much chance that Discovery will fail commercially or that it won't be widely embraced by the Trek fan base. Trek fans are like American Republicans in that old political remark: eventually they fall in line.

I think this is rather reductive and without foundation. Sure there are some individual Trek fans that are forgiving and willing to watch most any Trek (I for one enjoy most of Trek, and I really only bailed on 1.5-2 seasons of Enterprise, but have enjoyed everything else, except STID). But I think the viewership numbers and polls of which series fans like most indicate that the fanbase evolves/rotates/etc. Some people watch early stuff, some watch a smattering, some watch only the newest stuff, and some start on the newest but grow to embrace the rest of the franchise. Just because there is a core that views a lot and buys a lot doesn't mean all the fans have ever "fallen in line" with anything. I think the endless arguing over every aspect of Trek - its quality, where it should be going, the tone, the settings, whether it is or isn't Trek - proves this.

...Personally I remember when Stargate Universe came out, and there was a similar "whatever, the fans may be angry, but they'll watch it anyways"-attitude from the producers of SGU. And that ended up as a monumental flop.

I hope you aren't saying that the Discovery producers are saying/implying this. The cast and crew has seemed very enthusiastic about the quality and intent of their show. At worst, the producers have been saying "give us a chance" regarding canon, and defending the partial focus on diversity, but I don't see them saying "you'll take it and like it".

I keep hearing this, but it makes me think people are unaware of Discovery's merchandising push. We are getting novels, comics, props next year and I believe we're getting action figures. Eaglemoss is going to do miniatures.
What else is really needed?

Yeah I agree, there was an extensive list of licencees released not too long ago. I am no expert in the field, but it seemed like there was as much buy-in as you would see with any major property.

As for The Orville:
I apparently have been used to the idea that there is no new Trek other than movies for the past 12 years, that I didn't really think about how in only 3 days there will be more light, optimistic sci-fi to view and critique. And in 12 days there will be regular Star Trek!