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He was hired before that reaction. He got the Inhumans job in late 2016, and filming began in early March of this year. Iron Fist didn't debut until mid-March.

Oh, my mistake, I swore that they hired him for Inhumans after Iron Fist premiered.


As I said, his reputation among his peers was probably already established before then. Remember, to us these are just abstract names, but to people in the business, these are people they actually know and work alongside and run in the same circles with. The viewing public with its microscopic attention span only bothers to notice what someone has done recently, but for industry professionals, this would be someone they'd known or been hearing stories about from their peers for a long time. Audiences are quick to damn a creator for a single disappointing work, because they have the luxury of distance and anonymity, but it's different when that creator is a colleague or friend, someone you've worked with in the past and have to keep working with. Besides, insiders know that the occasional failure is just part of the job, that a single project is not a whole career. So if someone's done good work in the past, they won't write them off the first time they fall short, or maybe even the second. More likely they'll just see it as a dry spell or bad luck and let them try again. Hell, if professionals were as quick to write people off as fans are, they'd quickly run out of people to hire. If someone has a consistent run of bad results, that will generally hurt their career, so it may be harder for Buck to get another Marvel gig after two disappointments in a row. But it wouldn't have happened after only one bad result, not unless it had been really egregiously awful or had failed due to gross mismanagement or something.
I have to admit, I didn't really take that kind of behind the scene non-creative stuff into account.
But he has been named showrunner of three show that I'm aware of, and I've heard a lot of bad things about all three. If it was just one show that got a bad reaction I'd be quicker to write it off, but at this point he's 3 for 3 with bad reactions. Now I haven't seen any of them, so there's still a chance I could like them, but it's not encouraging.
And as I said, it wouldn't just be about the end result that the public sees, but the behind-the-scenes mechanics of making the product, working with other producers, delivering on schedule. A producer or director can get a good reputation (or a bad one) based on factors that are invisible to us. And, yes, sometimes those invisible factors aren't about the work at all but simply about who you know, what friendships you have, how good you are at playing studio politics or being a good salesperson, etc. I don't intend to suggest that any of that is specifically true in this case, but it's important to understand that the way we see the business from the outside is very different from the way insiders see it.
I'm thinking at this point that this kind of stuff is probably a bigger factor that the creative side.
 
But he has been named showrunner of three show that I'm aware of, and I've heard a lot of bad things about all three. If it was just one show that got a bad reaction I'd be quicker to write it off, but at this point he's 3 for 3 with bad reactions. Now I haven't seen any of them, so there's still a chance I could like them, but it's not encouraging.

I'm not trying to defend his worth; I haven't seen anything of his beyond Iron Fist yet, so I don't know enough to judge. I'm just speculating about why people in the industry might believe he's worth hiring as a showrunner even though his track record in that capacity is questionable. Nothing I'm saying is meant to express my own opinion about any of this; I'm just discussing the factors that might shape the opinions of the people who hire him, and why they might be different from the opinions of the viewing public.

As I said, every industry veteran surely has the occasional failure to their name, so a single failure isn't going to end anyone's career unless it's a particularly egregious one. Three disappointments in a row might begin to have a negative impact going forward, but at the time Buck was tapped for Iron Fist and The Inhumans, he only really had Dexter on his resume as a showrunner. I note that Jessica Jones showrunner Melissa Rosenberg also worked on Dexter alongside Buck for two or three seasons. So maybe he got the job partly because of that connection, because she vouched for him or because they knew they could work well together.
 
It seems likely that he gets hired because he's capable of turning out a product quickly and on budget. Both Iron Fist and Inhumans were extraordinarily rushed from his hiring to completion.
 
^Yep. Good or bad, the shows still need to be made and delivered on time. It's not just the reviews riding on that, it's the salaries of the dozens or hundreds of people working on the production and at the network or service that distributes it. So sometimes just being able to get the job done counts higher than whether it's any good.
 
I'm not disagreeing with that (although I think the problem is exacerbated significantly on IMAX. If this were on ABC, its cracks would be better hidden). The question was about how Scott Buck gets work and I think that's a huge part of it. If something needs to be put out on TV by a certain date or else lots of people are losing lots of money, he's a good guy to do it.
 
Well, I saw the film in IMAX this past Monday and - I have problems with it, but all fixable problems for future episodes and seasons - and none of the problems were ones that killed my enjoyment. Worth the $16? Maybe not, but those opening credits were beautiful as were shots of Hawai'i. Was the whole show shot with IMAX cameras or was it just these first two episodes/the film? I admit, during Black Bolt's "rampage" I kept thinking to myself, "This should be where 5-0 shows up, if this was a CBS product."

The writing felt along the lines of what we get with Agents of SHIELD. Some iffy dialogue - yes, but it's not the first show to have that. I can live with that, especially when its coming from characters of a different culture who may speak differently than us.

The terrigenesis was depicted differently than on AoS. No statue/chrysalis. I don't know if there is a story/in-universe reason for that. Kind of hoping we can get a reference to Marvel's Inhumans next season on SHIELD.

I really liked the class-focus and that we can understand from where the miners and Maximus are coming. I definitely plan to watch the show (but then again, I enjoyed most of Iron First season one).
 
Perhaps on AoS the terragenesis process is more primitive. Remember that Jaiying's people had to resort to breaking down a diviner to get to the crystals and grow their own.

I'm even more interested now in the background of Jaiying's tribe. Were they the descendants of potential Inhumans that were left behind all those years ago? Why would they be left behind? Where they criminals? Did the Inhumans that went to the Moon believe that they brought all the terragin crystals with them? Where did the Afterlife Inhumans get their diviners? Did they find them? Steal them before the others left?
 
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I think I read the other day that AoS has already alluded to a segment of the Inhuman population that left Earth, implicitly the founders of Attilan. I don't know the specifics, though.
 
The terrigenesis was depicted differently than on AoS. No statue/chrysalis. I don't know if there is a story/in-universe reason for that. Kind of hoping we can get a reference to Marvel's Inhumans next season on SHIELD.
I just took it as the gas covering them until after they hatched. Certainly, I'm ignoring any explanation that they don't form any kind of cocoon because that's bullshit.
 
That doesn't surprise me at all.

A.V. Club cut straight to chase with this article: "How did Marvel let Inhumans be released into IMAX theaters looking like this?" The article is more about how poor the show looks so bad on IMAX and why it shouldn't have happened. The best line of the whole review pretty much sums up why I won't be bothering: "But the worst culprit in this misfire is showrunner Scott Buck and his god-awful dialogue."

Hopefully after how poorly both Iron Fist and The Inhumans have been received, maybe Marvel will steer far away from Scott Buck. They've had such a strong record until they employed him. Hell, I'm still scratching my head as to why he got hired in the first place, let alone to head two different shows.

Scott Buck seems to have bad luck more than anything else. Dexter was really ruined by the Showtime Execs who wouldn't let the original Showrunner end the show when he wanted and the way he wanted (with Dexter being executed) and stretched it beyond it's logical ending point. Buck just happened to be handed it after they'd made it clear what could and couldn't happen.

Iron Fist had a reduced budget than the other Netflix shows and was treated as more of a "placeholder" show to get something out until Defenders, not a series unto itself. It was rushed into production and wasn't given the time or money it needed, especially when it came to the martial arts training.

Inhumans' BTS drama is well documented.
 
There's no evidence Iron Fist had less of a budget than any other Marvel Netflix show. Now it appears to have had less time, but that's not less of a budget. Scott Buck is not entirely free from blame for that either. Since he would likely have known how much time was left until it was produced when he proposed the project.
 
Scott Buck is not entirely free from blame for that either. Since he would likely have known how much time was left until it was produced when he proposed the project.

Huh? He didn't propose the project. Marvel planned out all four series and the miniseries at the same time, back in 2013. It was always known that Iron Fist would be one of the four series. Buck wasn't announced as showrunner until 2015.
 
It seems likely that he gets hired because he's capable of turning out a product quickly and on budget. Both Iron Fist and Inhumans were extraordinarily rushed from his hiring to completion.

^Yep. Good or bad, the shows still need to be made and delivered on time. It's not just the reviews riding on that, it's the salaries of the dozens or hundreds of people working on the production and at the network or service that distributes it. So sometimes just being able to get the job done counts higher than whether it's any good.
That makes sense. I have to admit, I had been thinking about the showrunner as purely a creative position, and forgot about the fact that they're also in charge of things on the business side to, like making sure things get done on budget and on schedule. A lot of times those kind of things do see to end up a bigger priority than the creative aspects, especially on something that's as big of a deal as a new Marvel show.
 

Unsurprising. I trust they'll at least air the whole thing, though.

The article says:
It's a shame this has happened but at least the door is now potentially open to the property being rebooted as a movie!

That seems unlikely to me. What would "reboot" mean in a case where the original and the reboot would both be in the same continuity, the MCU? The best they could do is what they did with the Hulk -- recast, start over, and just generally not acknowledge the original while still being nominally in continuity with it. But while the MCU has recast individual roles, replacing an entire cast would be a bigger deal. They could try using the same cast, but that might have its own problems.

Also, isn't the whole reason this became a TV project because interest in doing it as a movie died? I think it was the pet project of the guy who ended up running the TV division when it split from the movie division, and the people now running the movie division didn't want it.
 
Honestly I think they're better off continuing to use Inhumans as stand-ins for mutants and just ignore the whole royal family thing. They were always the least interesting part of the comics IMO.
A concept that ridiculous you need to either go full bore and embrace it like GotG did, or just forget it because if you play it straight then it's just going to come off impenetrable and boring.

Given that the show is essentially stillborn I think it's reasonable to expect it'll simply be ignored, continuity wise. Not a big deal since only AoS were ever likely to even mention it and it's been presumed for a while that that show's next season will be it's last anyway.
 
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Okay, the cancellation rumor was a false alarm:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/no-this-inhumans-poster-does-not-mean-the-show-is-canc-1818619189

The poster says "The first chapter in IMAX theaters Sept. 1, Complete Series Sept. 29 ABC." Some people are taking "Complete Series" to mean "all that will ever exist," but in context, it's clearly just saying that what's in theaters is only "the first chapter" and that you have to watch ABC to see the whole thing.
 
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