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The Inhumans Marvel/IMAX

Overreact much?

I honestly held myself back. I could have gotten a lot more specific with my insults, and I'm pissed off enough to want to, but I managed to rein myself in a bit. I'm actually a lot more pissed off and insulted then I might seem. I have no patience left in me for properties I enjoy being screwed over my incompetent morons. If STD didn't exist, Inhumans would be the most infuriating TV adaptation of a property I like that I can remember.
 
Depending on how it was done, it could've been. For instance, if they'd both called them the same thing even though Radcliffe would've had no idea that the people on Attilan used the same term. (Like in the Arrowverse, where the Vixen webseries established that Cisco coined that name for Mari because she's hot, but then Legends of Tomorrow established that Mari's grandmother used the name Vixen in the 1940s.)
Agents of SHIELD just said primitives, not Alpha Primitives unless I'm badly misremembering.
 
I honestly held myself back. I could have gotten a lot more specific with my insults, and I'm pissed off enough to want to, but I managed to rein myself in a bit. I'm actually a lot more pissed off and insulted then I might seem. I have no patience left in me for properties I enjoy being screwed over my incompetent morons. If STD didn't exist, Inhumans would be the most infuriating TV adaptation of a property I like that I can remember.

Please seek help before its too late...
 
That doesn't surprise me at all.

A.V. Club cut straight to chase with this article: "How did Marvel let Inhumans be released into IMAX theaters looking like this?" The article is more about how poor the show looks so bad on IMAX and why it shouldn't have happened. The best line of the whole review pretty much sums up why I won't be bothering: "But the worst culprit in this misfire is showrunner Scott Buck and his god-awful dialogue."

Hopefully after how poorly both Iron Fist and The Inhumans have been received, maybe Marvel will steer far away from Scott Buck. They've had such a strong record until they employed him. Hell, I'm still scratching my head as to why he got hired in the first place, let alone to head two different shows.
 
Hell, I'm still scratching my head as to why he got hired in the first place, let alone to head two different shows.

He seems to have a pretty solid record, working on award-winning shows like Six Feet Under, Rome, and Dexter. So he probably has a good reputation in the industry from that. It only seems to be as a showrunner that he's been disappointing, and that's been fairly recent.

Also, there's more to TV than writing. A major part of what execs look for when staffing a show is plain old reliability, the ability to consistently deliver the product on schedule, to work well with others, etc. Some people keep getting work because they're reliable and workmanlike rather than because their work stands out for its brilliance. Brannon Braga is an example of that -- he's never been a particularly inspired showrunner from a creative standpoint, but he keeps getting work because he's able to do the job reliably and is effective at executing other creators' visions. Maybe the same goes for Buck, though I'm just speculating, since I'm unfamiliar with his work outside of Marvel.
 
Marvel and ABC reportedly clashed over the quality of the episodes.

I love the MCU, warts and all, but this is the first time I've felt indifferent towards an MCU project. What makes it sad is how much I was looking forward to it. I'll still watch, of course. But I will mainly be considering it a place-holder while waiting for AoS S5.
I recall an article a few months ago saying there was a series that had turned out so badly they were trying desperately to find some way not to actually have to air it. Most people assumed it was Inhumans, though some were trying to figure out what dark-horse candidate it could've been.

I'm pretty sure it actually was Inhumans.
 
That doesn't surprise me at all.

A.V. Club cut straight to chase with this article: "How did Marvel let Inhumans be released into IMAX theaters looking like this?" The article is more about how poor the show looks so bad on IMAX and why it shouldn't have happened. The best line of the whole review pretty much sums up why I won't be bothering: "But the worst culprit in this misfire is showrunner Scott Buck and his god-awful dialogue."

Hopefully after how poorly both Iron Fist and The Inhumans have been received, maybe Marvel will steer far away from Scott Buck. They've had such a strong record until they employed him. Hell, I'm still scratching my head as to why he got hired in the first place, let alone to head two different shows.
I was really shocked after the reaction that Iron Fist got that they still hired him as the Inhumans showrunner. I kept expecting to hear that they changed their minds and were bringing in someone else.
He seems to have a pretty solid record, working on award-winning shows like Six Feet Under, Rome, and Dexter. So he probably has a good reputation in the industry from that. It only seems to be as a showrunner that he's been disappointing, and that's been fairly recent.
I don't know how much he did on Six Feet Under, or Rome, but I do know he was the show runner for the last season of Dexter and that was supposed to have been a complete disaster. I haven't seen any Dexter past the second season, so this is purely second hand.
 
I was really shocked after the reaction that Iron Fist got that they still hired him as the Inhumans showrunner. I kept expecting to hear that they changed their minds and were bringing in someone else.

He was hired before that reaction. He got the Inhumans job in late 2016, and filming began in early March of this year. Iron Fist didn't debut until mid-March.


I don't know how much he did on Six Feet Under, or Rome, but I do know he was the show runner for the last season of Dexter and that was supposed to have been a complete disaster. I haven't seen any Dexter past the second season, so this is purely second hand.

As I said, his reputation among his peers was probably already established before then. Remember, to us these are just abstract names, but to people in the business, these are people they actually know and work alongside and run in the same circles with. The viewing public with its microscopic attention span only bothers to notice what someone has done recently, but for industry professionals, this would be someone they'd known or been hearing stories about from their peers for a long time. Audiences are quick to damn a creator for a single disappointing work, because they have the luxury of distance and anonymity, but it's different when that creator is a colleague or friend, someone you've worked with in the past and have to keep working with. Besides, insiders know that the occasional failure is just part of the job, that a single project is not a whole career. So if someone's done good work in the past, they won't write them off the first time they fall short, or maybe even the second. More likely they'll just see it as a dry spell or bad luck and let them try again. Hell, if professionals were as quick to write people off as fans are, they'd quickly run out of people to hire. If someone has a consistent run of bad results, that will generally hurt their career, so it may be harder for Buck to get another Marvel gig after two disappointments in a row. But it wouldn't have happened after only one bad result, not unless it had been really egregiously awful or had failed due to gross mismanagement or something.

And as I said, it wouldn't just be about the end result that the public sees, but the behind-the-scenes mechanics of making the product, working with other producers, delivering on schedule. A producer or director can get a good reputation (or a bad one) based on factors that are invisible to us. And, yes, sometimes those invisible factors aren't about the work at all but simply about who you know, what friendships you have, how good you are at playing studio politics or being a good salesperson, etc. I don't intend to suggest that any of that is specifically true in this case, but it's important to understand that the way we see the business from the outside is very different from the way insiders see it.
 
He seems to have a pretty solid record, working on award-winning shows like Six Feet Under, Rome, and Dexter. So he probably has a good reputation in the industry from that. It only seems to be as a showrunner that he's been disappointing, and that's been fairly recent.
Buck turned Dexter into a pile of shit after he took over in the fifth season (which wasn't recently). I'll grant you writing isn't the same as show running, but his dialogue is atrocious. He only wrote two episodes of Rome and I haven't seen Six Feet Under, but I'll admit I'm surprised he wrote as many pre-showrunner episodes of Dexter as he did. That being said, Iron Fist's weakest episodes were the ones he wrote or co-wrote.
 
Well, I don't know enough about the guy's work to say anything for sure. I'm just trying to offer some possible answers to how someone whose recent work was disappointing could nonetheless have built enough of a reputation in the industry to compensate for that.
 
This looks to be shaping up to be a bummer for me. At one point in my life, the Inhumans, I mean the big seven, were the one group of superheroes who I most wanted to see in live action. I remember when there was originally going to be a theatrical film in 2019. I was skeptical then, since the Inhumans have never been among the A-list Marvel heroes that most people think of, but still I was cautiously optimistic.

Raimi's Spider-Man 2 was really the last time I saw a Marvel superhero film and thought, "Yeah, this is what I always wanted as a kid." The first Avengers film was more than halfway there to awesome!, and the three Captain America films have been very good. The rest of the MCU films have ranged from entertaining to meh. For other points of comparison to the MCU, the X-Men films have never been as good as X2, which is about at the very good level, and the FF films have always been WTF.

So, when I heard that they had decided to accelerate production of the Inhumans, I got a sinking feeling that they were doing their plan B for something that was never really cut out to be within the forefront of the MCU in the first place, especially given how by-the-numbers the MCU films have been overall. That all spells C-level result. And now it seems it's been half-assed on top of that. What a pity for some of Marvel's most intriguing characters, if they end up just getting pissed away in this generation.

P.S. The Tomatometer for Inhumans is 0% at this moment, at 12 reviews.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/marvel_s_the_inhumans/
 
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That doesn't surprise me at all.

A.V. Club cut straight to chase with this article: "How did Marvel let Inhumans be released into IMAX theaters looking like this?" The article is more about how poor the show looks so bad on IMAX and why it shouldn't have happened. The best line of the whole review pretty much sums up why I won't be bothering: "But the worst culprit in this misfire is showrunner Scott Buck and his god-awful dialogue."

Hopefully after how poorly both Iron Fist and The Inhumans have been received, maybe Marvel will steer far away from Scott Buck. They've had such a strong record until they employed him. Hell, I'm still scratching my head as to why he got hired in the first place, let alone to head two different shows.
From the article linked above:
This was like announcing you’re going to release a big new action spectacle on IMAX theaters, then screening an unreleased episode of Manimal, but without the quality writing.
^^^
Ouch! - If ABC/Marvel really feel this way, I'm amazed they went with the IMAX promotional theater release and didn't cancel it with some excuse.
 
Honestly, the fact that it's in IMAX is the biggest issue.

The how is simple. IMAX said "we're giving you money to release this Labor Day weekend in IMAX." I frankly think an argument should have been made that they needed to take their time to release it next year in IMAX, but I don't think that's what either side was looking for. The end result was more or less a quick cash grab (that's not saying the series will be, but the IMAX "experience" was basically trying to get people into theaters based on the name Marvel and not worry about repeat viewing. On ABC, it's free).
 
From the article linked above:

^^^
Ouch! - If ABC/Marvel really feel this way, I'm amazed they went with the IMAX promotional theater release and didn't cancel it with some excuse.

The "Manimal" line you quote comes from Alex McLevy, the reviewer who wrote the AV Club article. It's his own opinion from screening the "movie," not the opinion of anyone from ABC or Marvel.
 
There is nothing about Manimal in the link you provide. I'm not saying that ABC execs didn't have problems, I'm saying that the specific line about Manimal was the opinion of the AV Club reporter rather than a quotation from an ABC exec.
Um, the was a replhy to:
...not the opinion of anyone from ABC or Marvel.
which is what you stated.
 
Yes, exactly. You quoted a line from the reporter, saying that his own personal reaction to seeing the "movie" was that it was like putting a Manimal episode onscreen. After that quote, you put three carets pointing at the quote and said "If ABC/Marvel really feel this way...". Which indicates that you thought the Manimal line represented the opinion of someone at ABC or Marvel. But it was the personal opinion of the AV Club reporter. It might well align with the opinions of someone at ABC or Marvel, I'm not denying that, but the basic, objective fact is that nobody from ABC or Marvel said that specific line that you quoted that mentioned Manimal. I'm not denying the general thrust of the article, I am clarifying the source of that specific quote.
 
Inhumans was nowhere as bad as I expected. Yes, the hair wasn't great, Gorgons hooves looked like boots (couldn't they use those extended prosthetics if CG was too costly, or hire someone with thinner legs ?), Karnak looked unimpressive and the background Inhumans looked too...human, and some dialogue was very clunky. Did we really need background exposition during the terrigenesis ceremony that they must have seen dozens (!) of times ? Crystals hair would surely have been better served with a wig. Plus Maximus' fermenting of rebellion seemed rushed.

The sets were good, if sparse, and all of the rooms looked rather cramped - especially the throne room. Surely they could have CG,'d a larger space ? Attilan exteriors were fine and the plot and performances were O.K. Yes, it looked like a TV pilot rather than an IMAX movie, but Hawaii looked fantastic !

Overall, I felt slightly hard done by with the length of it for IMAX prices, but I quite enjoyed it. Sadly, it looks as if it's already failed...
 
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