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Colin Trevorrow no longer directing Episode IX.

^ On-the-record interview statements ARE confirmation, regardless of whether or not you personally want to believe and accept them.... so my statement very much is factual.
 
If you actually peel away the base levels of characterization for Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren, Maz, Snoke, Hux, Phasma, Han, and Leia, there's not actually much of any substance there for anyone other than Kylo.

As far as I'm concerned, Kylo has even less substance than the others, aside from Phasma, Snoke and Hux. In fact, the villains in this new trilogy are crap so far. And Kylo . . . he's basically a poor man's Anakin Skwaylker to me.
 
^ He's supposed to be... which is exactly why he's got nuance where the other characters do not.

Kylo is the one character in the film whose "copycat" nature is actually a strength, because he's meant to be a direct mirror for Anakin and representative of one of the two areas in which TFA does mirror the other films thematically (the other being Han sacrificing himself).

Had Lucasfilm exercised more control over Abrams and Kasdan and made sure that more elements of the film were reflective of the franchise's mythological roots and in sync with its previously -established thematic patterns, The Force Awakens would not be as disappointing as it was.
 
^ On-the-record interview statements ARE confirmation, regardless of whether or not you personally want to believe and accept them.... so my statement very much is factual.

No, statements under oath are confirmation of facts. "On-the-record interviews" are people giving reporters crap to print, with no accountability for veracity. Please understand the difference.
 
^ Believe whatever you want, but when The Last Jedi comes out in three months and the "big secret" about Rey's lineage turns out to not be of much significance to the overall narrative of the film, I expect an apology.
 
^ It's not just about ignoring plot-important details; it's about the entire approach, from narrative to design to shot structure. Episodes 1-6 are all thematic "mirrors" of each other and have narrative and structural elements that are heavily rooted in mythology and archetype, whereas The Force Awakens' characters are standard "copycat" characters whose only real narrative purpose is to rehash superficial characteristics present in the characters of Han, Luke, and Leia as they existed in ANH, but without any of the archetypal and mythological nuances that were infused into them by Lucas.

If you actually peel away the base levels of characterization for Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren, Maz, Snoke, Hux, Phasma, Han, and Leia, there's not actually much of any substance there for anyone other than Kylo.

Rey's appeal comes primarily from this false sense that there's some huge plot-changing secret about her lineage that's been hidden and is going to be revealed in subsequent films (something that we now know isn't actually going to be the case), Poe is a less interesting attempt to rehash Han's "charming rogue" character, Finn's just a comedy sidekick, Snoke, Maz, and Phasma are basically there to provide exposition and/or "look cool", But is your generic "bad guy military officer", and Han and Leia are essentially stuck in the same roles they occupied in the OT, albeit as older characters, although Han does end up becoming the film's "Obi-Wan" as the mentor figure who sacrifices themselves for the hero(ine).
Umm, okay. Clearly you measure things by unreasonable standards. TFA is enjoyable movie, and it's Star Wars. That's good enough for me.
 
You both are correct. TFA is a scene by scene remake of ANH but at the same time it also doesn't have the thematic impact that all the previous Star Wars films (even TPM) have.

Just no more J.J. for Star Wars IX or Star Trek (1)4 please.
 
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I rarely see people saying 'Disney' when they talk about the Marvel Studio movies.
Actually I do, especially outside of message boards like this one. Disney is such a massive corporation that it covers Marvel, Lucasfilm, ABC, etc. You can divide the forest down to individual trees, like Marvel or Lucasfilm, but it's still ultimately Disney in the end.
 
It's really not necessary to overstate the similarities that way. Despite the slew of similarities between the two films, what you said there is completely untrue.

Yeah, whatever you say.

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I rarely see people saying 'Disney' when they talk about the Marvel Studio movies.

I use it all the time around these parts.
 
Yeah, whatever you say.

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Well, to be honest, that shows it isn't a "shot-for-shot" remake, since some of those scenes don't occur at the same place in the movies or for the same plot purpose.

If anything, TFA is a reboot of ANH, done in the JJ style of having the old guard present to pass the baton.
 
TFA is more a homage to all three of the OT films really. We will see if the setup works for TLJ in a few months.
 
Rian Johnson is being rumored to continue on with Episode 9 by the same site that first mentioned Ron Howard taking over Han Solo.

I am surprised that was not the plan all along. Inconsistency in directing styles in this new trilogy always seemed to be a potential problem. The original concern was probably it would be too much for one director to take on two films so close to each other. But Rian seems to have worked with Lucasfilm really well.

When Johnson was first announced, I could've sworn that he was slated to direct both VIII and IX. I figured that was mistaken or misunderstood after the Trevorrow announcement, but maybe that was the original plan, after all.
 
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