Because she felt their plight was justified. Because she felt the Federation had signed a poor treaty. Because for once Picard was doing things she couldn't agree with (maybe prefigure this in "Journey's End"). Because, having come from a failed colony herself, Yar sympathized with people also living under suboptimal conditions.
Ro was Yar 2.0,
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Because she felt their plight was justified. Because she felt the Federation had signed a poor treaty. Because for once Picard was doing things she couldn't agree with (maybe prefigure this in "Journey's End"). Because, having come from a failed colony herself, Yar sympathized with people also living under suboptimal conditions.
Tasha "this so-called court should get down on its knees to what Starfleet is, what it represents" Yar would join an organization that opposed the Federation and Starfleet? "
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
That's quite true, actually. Of course, that cuts both ways. We can't argue that she would remain the same, and we can't argue that she would change, either.
While I don't think they are really one and the same character, I have have often felt Ro was essentially Yar done right. Don't get me wrong, I did really like Tasha and always wished Crosby stayed on for the rest of the series, but it's obvious that the first season writers had no idea how to writer for the women on the show. Had Tasha continued to be a regular after season one I'm sure the writing for her would have improved as well and we would have gotten storylines akin to what they did with Ro. Some of the specifics would be different of course, because they had different backstories and character traits, but the quality of the writing would have been comparable. I have no problem imagining Yar in place of Ro in the episodes where she featured heavily – like “Disaster”, “Conundrum”, “The Next Phase” or “Rascals”.
I do think, though, that Michelle Forbes is the superior actress.
I do think, though, that Michelle Forbes is the superior actress.
From their starting point in season 1, assuming nobody died or left, Tasha seems like far from the most likely character to join the Maquis. If anything Riker would have been most likely.
That's why in Gambit they were be able to convince Baran that Riker had betrayed Starfleet, his record tells the story that it's possible.
That's why in Gambit they were be able to convince Baran that Riker had betrayed Starfleet, his record tells the story that it's possible.
I agree. I'd even say his readiness to join the Maquis can be traced back to a single event...
Tasha may have come to be less than worshipful of Starfleet leadership and the Federation in general. Given more time, Tasha might have started to question why Starfleet wasn't sent by the Federation to end the overall situation on her colony world, a train of thought triggered by news of the death of her sister perhaps.
The Federation knew the conditions there. And unlike Bajor, the Federation had ready access to the planet itself. Tasha would have witnessed and heard of other examples of the Starfleet not helping people and entire civilizations when it could have.
Data: "... Starfleet has permitted several civilizations to fall. We have at times allowed the strong and violent to overcome the weak."
A disillusioned Tasha coming to identify with the Maquis cause, not impossible.
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I don't buy it. She would've had plenty of time to wonder that when she was first rescued back in her teens. It might've been one of the first things she asked -- "Why didn't you come sooner?" So she must've been satisfied with the answer.
Remember, the bit about her colony "severing relations with the Federation" wasn't established until "Legacy" in the fourth season. All that was established at the start was that it was a failed human colony. I assume the intent was that it was out of contact with the rest of galactic civilization, which would've been the reason for its collapse. For that matter, "relations with the Federation" is not the same thing as Federation membership. Starfleet would have no jurisdiction over a sovereign nation, no right to be there unless invited.
"Help" how? By sending in the military to impose order? Take a look at Iraq or Afghanistan -- we know that doesn't work. It probably would've just made things worse in the long run, which is why Starfleet is too smart to try it. They could've offered diplomatic and humanitarian aid, but it's impossible to force a solution on people who don't want you there.
Ro was nothing like Yar other than maybe a bad childhood. Ro seemed a lot stronger though.
There are times when I do wish Yar had stayed. She might have improved in season 2 and maybe we could have gotten more of her from Yesterday's Enterprise.
There are times when I do wish Yar had stayed. She might have improved in season 2 and maybe we could have gotten more of her from Yesterday's Enterprise.
If anything I think Yar would associate the Maquis with the gangs she grew up with.
I don't see any similarities beyond the superficial. I will say I always thought Ro was the more interesting character.
Something in this sentence here is twisting knots.. Not sure how you equate Riker in any of this.. At best he simply is a content Ent D officer (his bum is forever stuck to that chair..).. Supposedly he didnt let his Captain in a prior assignmrent risk his life.. And otherwise shady deal with the Pegasus but it really has nothing to do (as with alot in this thread) with Tasha perhaps doing more than Starfleet should she have lived on?? And theres so many odds and ends with the Yars.. Sela turning a different page.. Her sis may have looked her up.. Odd fantasies some ppl have here...
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As far as I'm aware the Maquis never committed rape...though I'd be curious to see how Maquis sympathies on this board might change if we proceeded with the premise that the Maquis did on occasion rape Cardassians.
The problem with Tasha was that her defining trait seemed to be she was a woman in a man's job, at least as far as the writers were concerned, so they wrote in lines where she worried about her femininity, or where male cast members talked about her beauty, and such - bleh. Her back story got a couple of mentions but did not really factor into how the character was portrayed.
For Ro, the back story defines her and how show she acts and reacts to events. This is how Tasha should been, so, in that respect only, Ro is Tasha done right.
My personal view is that the agents rescued from Romulus should have included middle-aged Tasha - Sela's tale of her execution having been exaggerated. It would have been nice to see more mature TNG writers giving a more mature Tasha a couple more guest appearances, although All Good Things did cap the series off perfectly.
The other issue is that Ro was portrayed as smart while Tasha was portrayed as a typical TOS security guard - impetuous and dumb, but that's a whole other issue.
For Ro, the back story defines her and how show she acts and reacts to events. This is how Tasha should been, so, in that respect only, Ro is Tasha done right.
My personal view is that the agents rescued from Romulus should have included middle-aged Tasha - Sela's tale of her execution having been exaggerated. It would have been nice to see more mature TNG writers giving a more mature Tasha a couple more guest appearances, although All Good Things did cap the series off perfectly.
The other issue is that Ro was portrayed as smart while Tasha was portrayed as a typical TOS security guard - impetuous and dumb, but that's a whole other issue.
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Again.. It was not my intention to start a diatribe re Tasha Yar. None of us can say with 100% certainty what she would do as she only lasted a handful of episodes vs the hundreds that were done after. Would really appreciate some of this in a standalone thread.. Wayyy off topic!! (This one is about similarities in Ro)
Again.. It was not my intention to start a diatribe re Tasha Yar. None of us can say with 100% certainty what she would do as she only lasted a handful of episodes vs the hundreds that were done after. Would really appreciate some of this in a standalone thread.. Wayyy off topic!! (This one is about similarities in Ro)
I'd argue that if Ro was Yar x.0 then it was 3.0 as IMO Shelby was at least as much of an attempt to redo Yar's "strong female character" as Ro was.
Why do two strong characters have to be presumed to be in the same category just because they're both female? Nobody would assume that about two male characters.
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