The problems started when CBS gave the property to Kurtzman first. I don't see any synergy between Kurtzman's sensibilities and Fuller. If CBS wanted a Fuller-style show they should have put him in charge from the get-go or at least someone who shares a similar vision. Then you add in that Kurtzman is a hack who is himself here-today-gone-tomorrow and you have a show that may feel rudderless.
News New EW Issue Details Bryan Fuller’s DISCOVERY Departure
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The problems started when CBS gave the property to Kurtzman first. I don't see any synergy between Kurtzman's sensibilities and Fuller. If CBS wanted a Fuller-style show they should have put him in charge from the get-go or at least someone who shares a similar vision. Then you add in that Kurtzman is a hack who is himself here-today-gone-tomorrow and you have a show that may feel rudderless.
Agreed. When I first heard Kurtzman was involved I thought "pass". Then I heard Fuller would be working under him as showrunner and I thought the universe was messing with me. Turns out it was.
Maybe we're being harsh. It's not like Kurtzman tanked any franchises recently, right?
No, because generally Brian Fuller's work easily falls under the umbrella of "macabre" (Dead Like Me, Pushing Daisies, Mockingbird Lane, Hannibal) and HIGHLY stylized (Pushing Daisies, Hannibal, American Gods), none of which crosses over in a Venn diagram with Star Trek. I love his work, but I never thought his style was a good fit for Star Trek, unless the lead ship was crewed by the undead.Because Star Trek has never been disturbing?
Thank you. That was better put that I could think of, without having to review Fuller's entire resume.
I couldn't think of the proper adjective for it. Thank you.
From the article:
I hope they're just talking about the first season there. If they want to spend the entire series on this stupid Klingon thing they'll probably lose me by the middle of the 2nd season. If it takes that long.
Macabre - Horror has been used throughout all of the series and some of the movies.
Highly stylized - You can insert almost any image here. It's a scifi show.
Ship crewed by the undead - check
Doesn't mean I want an entire series about it.Macabre - Horror has been used throughout all of the series and some of the movies.
Highly stylized - You can insert almost any image here. It's a scifi show.
Ship crewed by the undead - check
How about The Walking Dead?
EW released a new article about the development history.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/22/star-trek-discovery-cover-story/
http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/22/star-trek-discovery-cover-story/
That looks like what was in the EW issue a couple weeks ago, isn't it?
To add, my feeling is that this first season will follow the overall arc of the war (or tensions) starting with the Klingons, what we see in full fruition in TOS. Then as the series progresses, that will be going on in the background, maybe encounters with the Klingons here and there, but more a TOS style of exploring.
I think if the show is popular, they will ride the war with the Klingons for all it is worth. It will be a long ride.
I don't know. Tell Brannon Braga Star Trek doesn't delve into horror. Tell Joe Menosky Trek doesn't delve into the ambitiously stylized and surreal.
But, Bryan Fuller's own Star Trek work fits in well with his later creations, of which I'm most familiar with Pushing Daisies and Hannibal. DS9's The Darkness and the Light and Empok Nor fit perfectly with something Hannibal. I'm less familiar with his VOY work, but The Raven, Barge of the Dead, Bride of Chaotica, The Haunting of Deck Twelve seem like they'd fit in with Pushing Daisies or Hannibal.
To me, Fuller's work tends toward the macabre, but also has a healthy dose of quirkiness, visual flair (especially in gorgeous costumes and cinematography), and an interest in food.
Star Trek has done plenty of episodes exhibiting all of those traits over the years. As many have said about Star Trek, it's never just one kind of show. It has been a cop show, a comedy, a legal drama, a medical show, a romance, science fiction, war epic, adventure, sometimes combining many of these in one episode.
Right, whereas the majority of the series Brian Fuller has run don't cover all of that. They are dark, macabre shows that traffic in themes surrounding death. Star Trek of course has the occasional episode dealing with those issues, but if Fuller brought his signature style of the dark, bizarre and morbid to Star Trek, I don't think there would be anything recognizable about Star Trek in it. I do not have faith he would be able to pull off episodes that are a cop show, a comedy, a legal drama, a medical show, a romance, science fiction, war epic, or an adventure without finding a way to turn them dark and horrifying.
I really hope they don't draw out the war. I have high hopes for new season-long stories each year.
If certain Klingon characters become popular, they could always join the Discovery crew a la Konom in the old DC Trek comics.
Here's Bryan Fuller's fuller Trekkian resume:
DS9:
Season 5
-The Darkness and The Light
(Story credit)
-Empok Nor
(Story)
Voyager:
Season 4
-The Raven
(Story & Script)
-Mortal Coil
(Story & Script)
-Retrospect
(Script) Story by Andrew Shepherd Price and Mark Gaberman
-Living Witness
(Script) Story by Brannon Braga
Season 5
-Drone
(Story & Script)
-Bride of Chaotica
(Story & Script)
-Gravity
(Story & Script)
-Course: Oblivion
(Story & Script)
-Juggernaut
(Story & Script)
-Relativity
(Script) Story by Nick Sagan
Season 6
-Barge of the Dead
(Story & Script)
-Alice
(Script) Story by Juliann DeLayne
-One Small Step
(Script) Story by Mike Wallaeger and Jessica Scott
-Spirit Folk
(Story & Script)
-Fury
(Script) Story by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga
-Haunting of Deck 12
(Script) Story by Mike Sussman
Season 7
-Flesh & Blood
(Story & Script)
-Workforce
(Story & Script)
-Friendship One
(Story & Script)
DS9:
Season 5
-The Darkness and The Light
(Story credit)
-Empok Nor
(Story)
Voyager:
Season 4
-The Raven
(Story & Script)
-Mortal Coil
(Story & Script)
-Retrospect
(Script) Story by Andrew Shepherd Price and Mark Gaberman
-Living Witness
(Script) Story by Brannon Braga
Season 5
-Drone
(Story & Script)
-Bride of Chaotica
(Story & Script)
-Gravity
(Story & Script)
-Course: Oblivion
(Story & Script)
-Juggernaut
(Story & Script)
-Relativity
(Script) Story by Nick Sagan
Season 6
-Barge of the Dead
(Story & Script)
-Alice
(Script) Story by Juliann DeLayne
-One Small Step
(Script) Story by Mike Wallaeger and Jessica Scott
-Spirit Folk
(Story & Script)
-Fury
(Script) Story by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga
-Haunting of Deck 12
(Script) Story by Mike Sussman
Season 7
-Flesh & Blood
(Story & Script)
-Workforce
(Story & Script)
-Friendship One
(Story & Script)
I like three of those episodes: "Empok Nor", "One Small Step" and "Friendship One".
And how many seasons of Trek was he the showrunner, determining the direction, tone and voice of the show? Oh, none. For all of those episodes you cited it was his job to enact the tone and vision of the current showrunner, as it was on Heroes for that matter. So when we look at the shows where he was the showrunner, determining the tone and voice of the show, we end up with Dead Like Me, Pushing Daisies, Hannibal, American Gods. Personally, I think he made the right call choosing American Gods over Trek, it fits his voice better.
You can still determine his tastes when compared to the other writers within the same show. I mean certainly past Trek writers had certain styles they liked to write, whether they were showrunners or not.
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