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The Defenders--Marvel/Netflix

The point of Jessica Jones is that it was about an abused woman who is forced to deal with her trauma, confront her abuser, and try to prevent him from doing what he did to other people. Like I said before it's not a action show, it's a character drama that happens to take place in a world where some people have super powers.
Just check out this article about some of those aspects of the show.
 
Definitely. I was wondering how well the characters would mesh given how different the shows were, but it looks like they did a great job bringing them together.
 
JD said:
The point of Jessica Jones is that it was about an abused woman who is forced to deal with her trauma, confront her abuser, and try to prevent him from doing what he did to other people. Like I said before it's not a action show, it's a character drama that happens to take place in a world where some people have super powers.
Just check out this article about some of those aspects of the show.
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If its in the MCU, I don't care if its a sci fi comedy or a harlequin romance, you put effort into the action scenes. If a person has super powers, show them beating someone up. It can be done both impressively and relatively cheaply, they just need someone competent to do it. Also, having action doesn't mean it can't also be a character drama. That's not even going over the fact that I think the writing is atrocious and that Ritter is both not a good actress and completely miscast.

As for the trailer, as with all the trailers it has some good and some bad. I want half of the team to beat the crap out of the other half (although I'll settle for Luke shoving his fist through Rand's face). Also, every time Jessica was an asshole to Matt I just wanted him to tell her to fuck off and then just have him leave her to her fate. But, I just have to take a deep breath, calm down and realize that Jessica is not the thing to hate about the show. Iron Fist is. The complete failure of that character might actually make JJ look like a semi competent character (both writing and acting wise) by comparison. It will be interesting to see if the bad and mediocre parts of the Netflix stuff can be lifted up by the good stuff.
 
tenmei said:
Just because someone can beat someone up, doesn't mean they actually need to.
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Oh yeah, because Jessica Jones never interacts with people that need to beat up. Like, say, a gang she and Luke teamed up to fight (but ended up mostly just lightly shoving because of the shit stunt cordinator). Based on the trailers for defenders, that lack of people to fight is obviously going to continue :rolleyes:

Its the MCU. Everyone fights. If Tony Stark's fucking limo driver can fight a goon, Jessica Jones can do something besides lightly shove people, I don't care what kind of shitty drama she's going through. Like I said, you can only have shit action if the writing is really good. JJ writing wasn't, and now she is literally fighting ninjas. Putting in less effort then the 70s Wonder Woman wasn't acceptable for her own show, honestly even if it had good writing it wouldn't have been excusable to go that cheap and lazy.

But, the Defenders isn't infected by the idiots who ran/wrote JJ or Iron Fist, so she might actually do something besides drink, whine, be almost completely unsympathetic and sometimes shove people.Its like how Luke cage was shit fighting wise on JJ but actually pretty good on his own show. Better people behind the scenes can usually help even bad characters in some areas (although JJ and IF are obviously unfixable from a writing standpoint, they might at least take part in halfway decent fight scenes for the first time since they were introduced).
 
JD said:
The point of Jessica Jones is that it was about an abused woman who is forced to deal with her trauma, confront her abuser, and try to prevent him from doing what he did to other people. Like I said before it's not a action show, it's a character drama that happens to take place in a world where some people have super powers.
Just check out this article about some of those aspects of the show.
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I don't disagree with the basic sentiment, but I would add that I don't believe Jessica being super strong is incidental. On the contrary I rather think it serves to emphasise a key point: it doesn't matter how outwardly strong a person is, everyone is vulnerable to trauma and there's no punching your way out of it.
That dichotomy is a fairly common trope in superheroes; The blind man who can see better than anyone, the man of intellect with an uncontrollable rage. Any of these sound familiar? ;)
In that sense, the only thing that really distinguishes 'Jessica Jones' from the usual fare is the tone and specific content.
 
Well, his secretary could also fight and I don't think Pepper Potts is a bodyguard. The point is that its an MCU show, there needs to be action. It doesn't have to be fancy, but it does have to be interesting. Shows with half the budget could easily show off super strength. Its arguably one of the easiest powers to show on TV. The fact that JJ didn't is embarrassing. There is nothing about being a "character drama" that precludes action. If you badly written drama without action, don't make an MCU show. With such rancid writing, the action should have been an element, along with David Tennant, that helped the show. Instead, it made 70s Wonder Woman look like Arrow.

Hopefully Defenders fixes that. Have Jessica actually punch someone, or hurl a huge table or something. Anything to prove she is anything but a person of average strength who just happens to be good at jumping and shoving. Luke Cage got saved by his show after JJ completely misused him, so maybe she can be saved (from an actionb perspective, no one can fix the broken mess of a character) but Defenders.
 
She practically threw Luke around when they got Jiggy with it, and a person of his size with that much muscle mass ain't going to be light.
 
One more full trailer:

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Unfortunately, I'm going to have to wait a few days after the season is released because I'm waiting for a new computer to arrive.
 
I'm about 40 minutes away from the release, really looking forward to the four of them together!
 
2 episodes in... not bad, pretty good actually. Pace is much better, everyone has something important to do, and they are organically heading towards each other. Some decent fights already and some humor. The digital colorist team is doing a great job giving each hero their own color scheme (Matt red, Jessica blueish purpleish grey, Danny greyish green, and Luke yellow) which really gives the cut/transistions some pop.
 
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