Then you're better off than I am, man.
I've spent more time watching Nickelodeon than my own shows these past few years. Go Thunderman and the sidekick superhero guy!
The Defenders--Marvel/Netflix
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I've spent more time watching Nickelodeon than my own shows these past few years. Go Thunderman and the sidekick superhero guy!
Final trailer. For those who have been bemoaning Jessica's lack of a fighting style, there is actually a joke to that point in this trailer.
After new trailer:
- Still not nuts about Iron Fist
- Defenders still looks really fun
- Still not nuts about Iron Fist
- Defenders still looks really fun
Trailer thoughts:
-Iron Fist is still crap.
-Making fun of Jessica Jones type of fighting doesn't change the fact that even Happy Hogan and Pepper Potts have more impressive fighting skills then her.
-Really not liking Sigourney Weaver as the villain.
-Still not liking the (at this point very, very tired) cliche of "Heroes don't like each other and refuse to team up, until they have to team up to save the day". That's not a new thing from this trailer, but its a recurring problem I have with Defenders.
Still, the show overall looks good. Well, ok, Iron Fist looks like shit and I still don't like the MCU version of Jessica Jones but the Daredevil and Luke Cage stuff is enough to make me very interested in the show. I'm excited for it to come out.
-Iron Fist is still crap.
-Making fun of Jessica Jones type of fighting doesn't change the fact that even Happy Hogan and Pepper Potts have more impressive fighting skills then her.
-Really not liking Sigourney Weaver as the villain.
-Still not liking the (at this point very, very tired) cliche of "Heroes don't like each other and refuse to team up, until they have to team up to save the day". That's not a new thing from this trailer, but its a recurring problem I have with Defenders.
Still, the show overall looks good. Well, ok, Iron Fist looks like shit and I still don't like the MCU version of Jessica Jones but the Daredevil and Luke Cage stuff is enough to make me very interested in the show. I'm excited for it to come out.
I agree with Iron Fist. It had its flaws, but IMO all of the shows have had their own distinct problems. My main issue with IF is the common one that the fight scenes are pretty mundane for a guy who is supposed to be an incredible martial artist and some of the middle episodes of the season--but I actually liked all the actors and the story. I don't really see the difference between this show and the other Netflix series.
Anybody who complains about the way Jessica fights, really, really doesn't understand the character.
I'm a huge fan of her, and I've really like everything we've seen of her here.
I can understand this one, but I really think with these characters, and the way they've been presented so far it makes sense for them.
Good to see more of the billy club. 
I call that: The First Rule of Fives Club™.
This series looks like it will be a blast.
I really hope they make Danny the punch(see what I did there)line for all the jokes. It would be quite funny if everyone after a few seasons still asks "what are you DOING here hippie boy?"
I get the point. I also understand that compared to her Luke Cage looks like the comic book version of Iron Fist, which is pathetic. The problem is that the netflix show depowered Jessica Jones a fair amount (although not as much as Luke, to be fair) so they can't show her doing impressive feats of strength, at this point I'd be surprised if she could actually lift more then, say, a particularly obsessive body builder. So she uses the Lynda Carter school of superhero power useage, aka she gently pushes people and sometimes jumps onto high ledges. Actually, that's unfair...to 70s Wonder Woman. At least she sometimes varied it up by holding on to a movie car or chasing someone using her magic ability to summon a skateboard.
At least Luke's show had him do impressive things with his strength even if he's weaker then the comic version. In the end, a hero who does a lot of up close fighting either needs to impresse with fighting ability or pure strength (or be a tech genius or telepath, etc, but we're talking strictly about hand to hand combat here). If you can't fight like Daredevil (which is fine, not everyone needs to know martial arts) then you better be an impressive brawler. Jessica Jones is neither. She has no fighting ability and can't even brawl well. If it wasn't for Iron Fist she'd be the weakest link on the show. As it is, even as someone who thinks she was the second worst part of her own show (after Hogarth, literally the dumbest asshole in the MCU) I'm still more interested in her then I am in Iron Fist.
I just hope they have a better producer/better director's in The Defenders and Jessica might do something besides shove and jump. Throw (not shove, throw) someone through a wall or throw a sofa at someone, I don't know. Anything to show her power makes her more then just a person with the strength of a moderately impressive body builder and the ability to jump really high. That all said, even if she's as bad as she was on her own show she'll still look amazing compared to Iron Fist and his complete lack of ability to do literally anything approaching impressive fighting. He already makes her look better as a character by comparison. I'm starting to wonder if they're only keeping him on The Defenders so that Jessica isn't the worst Defender. Put something really bad next to extreme mediocrity, basically.
Jessica is awesome. A conflicted victim trying to put her life back together, who can also do ridiculous stuff at will.
Maybe she just doesn't WANT to fight or jump really high, or do all the other stuff we personally might think is "cool."
So, she ONLY does it when needed, and therefore is a bit rusty. Makes perfect sense to me.
Maybe she just doesn't WANT to fight or jump really high, or do all the other stuff we personally might think is "cool."
So, she ONLY does it when needed, and therefore is a bit rusty. Makes perfect sense to me.
And now you're just proving my point for me.
Jessica is not a fighter, and her show was not about showing off her powers.
And now you're just proving my point for me.
Jessica is not a fighter, and her show was not about showing off her powers.
Her show was about a drunk idiot lightly shoving people and only wasn't complete crap because of David tennant. Its a goddamn MCU show. There has to be some kind of action, and it needs to be done better then something middle schoolers could film in an empty hallway. As it is, it was a show made by people I'm convinced have never seen a single show or movie with any kind of action, and if it wasn't for David Tennant being amazing the show would have been a complete failure. The average episode of Pawn Stars has more action then Jessica Jones, and for something in the MCU that's pathetic.
The show already has terrible writers and a completely miscast lead who couldn't act if her life depended on it. Having the second worst action in the MCU (and formerly the worst action before Iron Fist came out) is just making things worse. at least if Jessica actually did something mildly interesting, like punching someone or throwing something heavier then, say, a pillow there would be something interesting to watch on her show between Tennant's scenes. You can have mediocre action if the characters and storytelling is really good (well, as long as you're show isn't focused on fighting, like Iron Fist should have been). But JJ had neither (well, ok, one good character but you obviously can't cheer for or get attached to a character like Purple Man, he's a great villain but he can't be the core of a show), which makes her show having her seem like a completely average woman who just happens to jump really high a big problem.
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You really, really just missed the whole point of the entire show didn't you.
There is no "point" to fiction shows generally, outside of entertaining the audience. But, if the point was to be a boring, poorly written, poorly made adaptation of an decent comic series then it succeeded. All I know is that David Tennant was great in his role, and he is also literally the only reason I didn't drop the show. I would have tapped out by episode 3 if he hadn't shown up and then started being a really great, vile villain. Purple Man is completely unsympathetic obviously, but still interesting. It helped that its David Tennant and he's a very good actor (and not just in comparison to the mediocrity of most of the rest of the JJ cast). He elevated the material, and was an entertaining villain who you really hate (in the way you're supposed to).
Outside of that, everything else was inferior to the comic that spawned the show (and honestly Alias isn't all that great, but Jessica was a much better, more sympathetic and more interesting character and it didn't have any of that Hogarth or Walker shit, and Luke/their relationship was done much better in the comic as well). The show didn't have any point as far as I can tell. I wish I knew the "point" of Disney hiring incompetent people on almost every level of the show (much like Iron Fist, but slightly better because somehow at least one good actor got cast in JJ), but I honestly don't really care at this point. Jessica Jones in the MCU is a shit character with a show that only got past mediocrity when David Tennant was on screen, but that still makes her look like the greatest character/show in the world compared to Iron Fist.
But anyway, this topic is about The defenders. Two very good heroes team up with a mediocre one and the shittiest hero in the MCU to fight a seemingly uninteresting villain but also Elektra. After Daredevil Season 2 won me over to its stuff, Daredevil, Elektra and Luke Cage are why I'm watching the show. I'll tolerate Jessica Jones and Sigourney Weaver's character and attempt not to break the TV if "Iron Fist" gets any solo scenes in order to see the good stuff. Plus, The Defenders might improve some things. It can't save JJ or IF as characters, but with a competent stunt coordinator maybe Iron Fist will fight on some level beyond "low budget 70s tv show stunts" and maybe Jessica Jones will actually do something halfway interesting in the action department. That said, honestly if we just get Luke berating (and hopefully punching) Iron Fist it will make the whole show worth it all by itself. Hopefully we'll get that and more.