New Info on Michael Burnham

[Fateor]

We've had Breen surprise attack Earth before. And the Xindi pop up and blow things up. And the Borg...

The only one of those that didn't involve subspace quackery to appear inside Federation borders were the Breen.

And the Breen have a much closer boarder to Earth then the Klingons do.

It doesn't seem that hard to surprise anyone. And the Klingons can invisible themselves. Which helps.

The Klingons didn't have cloaking technology during the time period in question.

 

[cultcross]

And the Breen have a much closer boarder to Earth then the Klingons do.

Got a canon source for that, I assume?

 

[Nerys Myk]

And the Breen have a much closer boarder to Earth then the Klingons do.

Do they? Klingon space is usually only days away from Earth.

LIEUTENANT: Our sensor drone is intercepting this on Quad L fourteen.
BRANCH: That's in Klingon boundaries. Who are they fighting?
LIEUTENANT: Unknown, sir.
TECHNICIAN: I have an exterior visual.
(the battle cruisers are destroyed by energy bolts from the Cloud)
LIEUTENANT: We've plotted a course on that Cloud, Commander. It will pass into Federation space fairly close to us.
BRANCH: Heading?
LIEUTENANT: Sir, it's on a precise heading for Earth!

then

SCOTT: She needs more work, a shakedown.
KIRK: Mister Scott, there's an alien object with unbelievable destructive power less than three days away from this planet. ...

 

[jamestyler]

And the Breen have a much closer boarder to Earth then the Klingons do.

There's no official maps. And it's fake space. Besides, Klingons must be ridiculously close considering Archer managed to get to Klingon space fairly quickly.

The Klingons didn't have cloaking technology during the time period in question.

I recall that being noted in several places, but never actually mentioned on screen.

 

[Fateor]

Do they? Klingon space is usually only days away from Earth.

then.

Days away for a godlike alien cloud...

There's no official maps. And it's fake space. Besides, Klingons must be ridiculously close considering Archer managed to get to Klingon space fairly quickly.

It does make you wonder just what modifications Danials must have made to the Enterprise's engines that allowed the vessel to exceed warp 11.

I recall that being noted in several places, but never actually mentioned on screen.

It was mentioned in the animated series where we got a first hand look at one of the first Klingon ships equipped with cloaking technology.

 

[C.E. Evans]

...Klingons must be ridiculously close considering Archer managed to get to Klingon space fairly quickly.

Having the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans all within fairly close proximity of one another would explain why they occasionally jostle one another. Both the Klingons and the Romulans could view the Federation as an impediment to their expansion where it sits.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Days away for a godlike alien cloud...

Machine actually.
They launched when V'Ger was roughly two days from Earth

KIRK: That's all we know about it, except that it's now fifty-three point four hours away from Earth. Enterprise is the only Federation starship that stands in its way. Our orders are to intercept, investigate, and take whatever action is necessary, ...and possible.

Then they managed to rendezvous with V'Ger when it was roughly day away from Earth after sitting dead in space for a while.

Captain's log, stardate 7413.4. Thanks to Mister Spock's timely arrival, and assistance, we have the engines rebalanced into full warp capacity. Repair time less than three hours, ...which means we will now be able to intercept intruder while still more than a day from Earth.

I'd say the Enterprise was matching V'Ger's speed

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Klingons didn't have cloaking technology during the time period in question.

The novels have Klingons cloaking in Pike's era, and ST'09 has Klingons decloaking during the Kobayashi Maru test.

IIRC the original fanon idea was that Klingons got cloaking tech from the Romulans at the time of STIII, because the script originally featured Romulans (hence a bird of prey that cloaks) and they never changed the tech when they made them Klingons - so Klingons suddenly had birds of prey and cloaking devices (the former of which, ENT retconned into the 2150's)

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The Klingons could have had cloaking tech before we saw it. But we don't have a firm year for the Klingon-Romulan alliance, and the assumption is that's where they got the tech.

As a fandom, we decided the Romulans weren't warp capable from one line in Balance Of Terror. It may or may not have even been true of that one ship.

 

[Fateor]

The novels have Klingons cloaking in Pike's era, and ST'09 has Klingons decloaking during the Kobayashi Maru test.

IIRC the original fanon idea was that Klingons got cloaking tech from the Romulans at the time of STIII, because the script originally featured Romulans (hence a bird of prey that cloaks) and they never changed the tech when they made them Klingons - so Klingons suddenly had birds of prey and cloaking devices (the former of which, ENT retconned into the 2150's)

The novels aren't canon, and the 2009 movie had them getting a tech boost from studying the Narada.

 

[Kemaiku]

We'll assume the Klingons simply had somewhat inferior cloaking technology that was entirely adequate to attack one of the other less advanced founding worlds (since what we see in most media implies Vulcan operates a lot less active technology than Earth) when Starfleet is otherwise occupied, so long as they inflict enough suffering in a small attack. IE attacking schools and hospitals as such beasts are like to do.

This would be maybe 2235, the time period the Kelvin and ships like her were very close to the Klingon border for extended periods in case of a Klingon attack, the Kelvin universe split occured only around this time so in the Prime Universe these exercises would have been going since the 2220's era start of hostilities Spock mentions in TUC ("70 years of hostility" in 2293 would be at least 2223).

 

[Mudd]

No reason the Klingons couldn't attack Vulcan. I mean, what world are we living in?

 

[Kemaiku]

No reason the Klingons couldn't attack Vulcan. I mean, what world are we living in?

Nazi nukie nukie reality TV ruskietimes WTF world.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

So she excelled at 2 schools on an alien world that's hundreds of years more advanced than earth.
This is where I see them crapping on canon. Please tell me she's not going to be a Mary Sue.

 

[Mudd]

She's exactly as much "Mary Sue" as any other Trek protagonist.

Honestly, did anyone ever buy Kirk achieving the rank of Captain and commanding a ship of the line at 34 years old (and I mean TOS, not the Abrams movies)?

Biases that fans develop based on scant evidence do not constitute "canon."

 

[Kevin Wolff]

She's exactly as much "Mary Sue" as any other Trek protagonist.

Honestly, did anyone ever buy Kirk achieving the rank of Captain and commanding a ship of the line at 34 years old (and I mean TOS, not the Abrams movies)?

Biases that fans develop based on scant evidence do not constitute "canon."

But Kirk was a 1960's TV character in line somewhat with other characters of the time. More than that, Kirk was compromise between the production and what was required for tv at the time. Hunter's Pike showed they tried to be more real at first.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So she excelled at 2 schools on an alien world that's hundreds of years more advanced than earth.
This is where I see them crapping on canon. Please tell me she's not going to be a Mary Sue.

Is Earth the Alabama of Federation worlds or something? I'd think most Federation worlds are more or less at the same level of advancement.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But Kirk was a 1960's TV character in line somewhat with other characters of the time. More than that, Kirk was compromise between the production and what was required for tv at the time. Hunter's Pike showed they tried to be more real at first.

Not sure Pike was supposed to be that much older than Kirk.
Shows still want a young handsome romantic lead.

 

[Fateor]

She's exactly as much "Mary Sue" as any other Trek protagonist.

Not really?

Picard spent 37 years working his way up the chain of command and Sisko spent 15.

The closest comparison to what we know of Michael at this point would be Julian Bashir, and well he was genetically enhanced.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Not sure Pike was supposed to be that much older than Kirk.
Shows still want a young handsome romantic lead.

He was 37 I believe in '64, but they played him a little older and world weary. They talked about him being at this for a long while and being tired of it, as opposed to Kirk who looked younger and they played him that way.